Sickening antisemitic attack.

paddyann54

Honestly …I think it was just some Ned who thought why should anyone have private ambulances when my mum or gran or child has to wait hours for one.
Probably didn,t even know they were for the Jewish community.
The hatred is for people who have things the rest of the community don’t have access to .Its been posh cars in our area ,set on fire almost daily

No, completely wrong assumptions, paddyann.

I think it was just some Ned who thought why should anyone have private ambulances when my mum or gran or child has to wait hours for one.

"Now Madam Deputy Speaker, the House will be aware that police are treating this arson attack as an antisemitic hate crime".

"The investigation is now being led by Counter Terrorism Policing, although I should emphasise that this has not been declared a terrorist incident at this stage."
Dan Jarvis, Security Minister

An Iran-aligned militant network has claimed responsibility for the arson attack on Jewish ambulances in north London early Monday, a monitoring organisation said, linking the incident to a string of similar fires across Europe.
Iran International

Probably didn,t even know they were for the Jewish community.
They are not exclusively for the Jewish community

The hatred is for people who have things the rest of the community don’t have access to
Again, a wrong assumption as this ambulance service was available to all.

Fallingstar

Jaberwok

No one is talking about a non viable foetus, this sad state of affairs is covered medically and lawfully all through pregnancy. We are talking about abortion by the mother for any reason including the wrong sex baby right up to the point of birth. This cannot be morally, or indeed medically right. A baby at 7 months, even younger can survive outside the womb, how can it possibly be right to deliberately murder a full term healthy, helpless infant? Frankly 16 weeks is plenty late enough for abortion, if not possible, then what's wrong with adoption?

What has this got to do with the awful antisemitic attack on ambulances.
Please could you start another thread.

I tried to post this afternoon but it wouldn't post.

Threads do meander but this is a totally different subject. Both are emotive so it might be a good idea to start another thread, Jaberwok.

Jaberwok

No one is talking about a non viable foetus, this sad state of affairs is covered medically and lawfully all through pregnancy. We are talking about abortion by the mother for any reason including the wrong sex baby right up to the point of birth. This cannot be morally, or indeed medically right. A baby at 7 months, even younger can survive outside the womb, how can it possibly be right to deliberately murder a full term healthy, helpless infant? Frankly 16 weeks is plenty late enough for abortion, if not possible, then what's wrong with adoption?

What has this got to do with the awful antisemitic attack on ambulances.
Please could you start another thread.

No one is talking about a non viable foetus, this sad state of affairs is covered medically and lawfully all through pregnancy. We are talking about abortion by the mother for any reason including the wrong sex baby right up to the point of birth. This cannot be morally, or indeed medically right. A baby at 7 months, even younger can survive outside the womb, how can it possibly be right to deliberately murder a full term healthy, helpless infant? Frankly 16 weeks is plenty late enough for abortion, if not possible, then what's wrong with adoption?

Fallingstar

Delila

I hold Trump and Netanyahu personally responsible for the actions they are taking.

Me too Cossy, and the consequences.

I agree.

I also agree.

Delila

^I hold Trump and Netanyahu personally responsible for the actions they are taking^.

Me too Cossy, and the consequences.

I agree.

I fear that there will be more antisemitic attacks but also the chance of more general terrorist attacks seeing as Iran has said that the UK is a legitimate target.
Any war of this nature will bring in its wake a rash of terrorist attacks.
Am afraid it won’t just be a cost of living crisis we need to worry about.

I hold Trump and Netanyahu personally responsible for the actions they are taking.

Me too Cossy, and the consequences.

I don't believe that paddyanne's post is saying 'it's okay'.
I think she may be saying that there are other reasons for criminal destruction of property, by referencing events that occur in her area.
It is a principle on GN that Posters may put forward different points, as long as they stay within the GN rules.
In fact, this was just being discussed in a concurrent Thread.

@Jaberwok This is the second thing inside seven days that has deeply shocked me. The first was the amended abortion bill which seems almost certainly to become law. The new Archbishop of Canterbury apparently believes it to be 'a complicated matter'. No Archbishop, it's the legal murder of another human being who cannot defend itself by the very person who should be protecting it. Adoption is surely a better option?

You REALLY need to educate yourself about the "new" abortion law.

BTW Nobody is going to adopt a non-viable foetus that's not going to survive outside its mother.

twaddle

eazybee

Reform has never struck me as antisemitic.
At the moment no-one knows who was responsible although there is footage of three people approaching the ambulances before they burst into flames.

Muslims are the current scapegoats, which is why you'll sometimes see Israeli flags flying at right wing marches. They have a common enemy. Nevertheless, antisemitism is a form of bigotry and some Reform supporters most definitely strike me as bigots.

It was Jewish ambulances that were burned, outside a synagogue.

It’s an Islamic group that has claimed responsibility.

How is that scapegoating Muslims as a group? That’s a bit of a leap 🤔

I'm with you, Cossy. I really don't know when this will end - or if it will.

Oreo

Rosie51

Let’s not blame other groups, we have no evidence as yet.

Disgusting far right people have sadly been around for decades in our country, it’s just that parties like Reform give them credence and a voice.

Antisemitism and other prejudices are not exclusive to the far right, the far left and even the 'middle' can be just as bad.

Well said.

Okay, so what did you mean by 'no prizes for guessing why', then?

I assumed you were directing the blame at the far right, who have always been notoriously antisemitic, but if not, who are you blaming whilst not blaming anyone?

Lathyrus3

It’s reported by the BBC that an Islamic, pro -Iranian group have claimed responsibility online for the attack.

Oh dear, that’s truly awful.

Another extremist organisation which will tar all with the same brush.

Whatever is going on between govts, in other countries, there is no excuse to target any group in this country.

I hold Trump and Netanyahu personally responsible for the actions that they are taking!

Not their citizens!

Lathyrus3

Sorry twaddle for repeating your post.

No problem.

paddyann54

Honestly …I think it was just some Ned who thought why should anyone have private ambulances when my mum or gran or child has to wait hours for one.
Probably didn,t even know they were for the Jewish community.
The hatred is for people who have things the rest of the community don’t have access to .Its been posh cars in our area ,set on fire almost daily

So that makes it ok then?!!

Astonishing!

eazybee

Reform has never struck me as antisemitic.
At the moment no-one knows who was responsible although there is footage of three people approaching the ambulances before they burst into flames.

Muslims are the current scapegoats, which is why you'll sometimes see Israeli flags flying at right wing marches. They have a common enemy. Nevertheless, antisemitism is a form of bigotry and some Reform supporters most definitely strike me as bigots.

Sorry twaddle for repeating your post.

Jaberwok

This is the second thing inside seven days that has deeply shocked me. The first was the amended abortion bill which seems almost certainly to become law. The new Archbishop of Canterbury apparently believes it to be 'a complicated matter'. No Archbishop, it's the legal murder of another human being who cannot defend itself by the very person who should be protecting it. Adoption is surely a better option?
The attack on these ambulances is truly appalling and sickening, thank goodness no one was hurt. Frankly Paddyanne, your outrageous comment is not worth replying to as you have made clear, not for the first time, that you have little or no sympathy with the Jewish population, however much they are clearly persecuted.

Perhaps a different thread for your very contentious abortion views, as it’s a very large and difficult debate.

It’s reported by the BBC that an Islamic, pro -Iranian group have claimed responsibility online for the attack.

Doodledog

*No prizes for guessing why*

The rise of Reform? He may be disguising it now, but Farage was definitely antisemitic in his youth.

I don't think so (although I could be wrong). I have no doubt Farage is antisemitic, but on this occasion a pro-Iranian terrorist group has claimed responsibility. They have also claimed responsibility for a number of incidents targetting Jews on mainland Europe in recent weeks.

Reform has never struck me as antisemitic.
At the moment no-one knows who was responsible although there is footage of three people approaching the ambulances before they burst into flames.

My maternal grandparents will be turning in their graves! They came here to escape the Nazis and were so grateful to this country. How things have changed!

This is the second thing inside seven days that has deeply shocked me. The first was the amended abortion bill which seems almost certainly to become law. The new Archbishop of Canterbury apparently believes it to be 'a complicated matter'. No Archbishop, it's the legal murder of another human being who cannot defend itself by the very person who should be protecting it. Adoption is surely a better option?
The attack on these ambulances is truly appalling and sickening, thank goodness no one was hurt. Frankly Paddyanne, your outrageous comment is not worth replying to as you have made clear, not for the first time, that you have little or no sympathy with the Jewish population, however much they are clearly persecuted.

Maremia

Near a synagogue? There will be good CCTV coverage.

They were masked.