Sickening antisemitic attack.

I just don't know how SM could be policed. With Musk and X, standards have collapsed.

MartavTaurus

Allira

sixandahalf

Why are regular NHS ambulances insufficient?

Need you ask? 😲

Indeed!
If you put a 999 call through, it's likely that Friern Barnet in North London won't have an NHS ambulance free to dispatch immediately. If you are in the designated area and phone the number of the Jewish charity, you would probably get an ambulance within minutes.

Thanks MartavTaurus.

The Jewish community in the UK is well known for its charitable work. As are members of the Christian and Muslim communities. Faith groups and none raise money to support others.

I’ve been shocked at the level of anti semitism and ignorance in the comments below news reports on this incident. Eg suggesting that God’s chosen people have private ambulances and ignore the needs of non Jewish people.

Anti semitism has never gone away and it’s growing with people easily using the term Zionism to defend bigotry.

I think any decent-minded person would think like you Wyllow3. We do have to try and build bridges, somehow.
It's just that answers are so hard to find when evil-minded people are amongst us.

The country has rallied round and the ambulances will be replaced by community donations. That's a small victory.
The millennia of hatred between Catholics and Protestants was calmed down due to the Good Friday agreement. Not completely eradicated, I know.
Not the same situation, but can lessons be drawn from any similarities?

I'm always appalled when any minority group is attacked in vile and horrible ways.

Have been since my Dad talked about the hostility from some when he helped Jewish refugees post WW2. Mum and Dad were involved in the Peace Movements with Quakers and other very significant figures.
I have no doubt at that time it came from the remnants of the right Wing Moseley crew or just wanton ignorance, and to some extent, still does.

Then there were the "No blacks" notices in windows and Enoch Powells rivers of blood speech. Prejudice and hate have always been with us sometimes from those living here for many generations and sometimes between different groupings.

So now I find myself disgusted by any terrorist or hate attacks on any group that has sought to live in peace in our country, in stead of seeking to know and understand each other.

I have no doubt that what is happening abroad is related to what happens at home in terms of taking dislike or hate into violence: we can do at home is consider it absolutely beyond the pale, and seek to continue to build bridges wherever possible, and seek out and punish those who transgress in the strongest of ways.

And for me that includes not just violent actions, but the SM and other means: I mean only SM and speeches that directly whip up hatred and plans or co-ordinate attacks against groups or individuals.

We have to look at the climate that these attacks occur in, be it at home, or news from abroad, and act accordingly.

What little can we do, but try and build bridges where possible in personal and political ways? Contribute financially if we can.

I know this post comes across as stiff and theoretical, but to me it's not, believe me. Its been lifelong.

What sort of people do that? I feel so very sorry for all victims of hate and prejudice.
I hope the Jewish community know vile human beings who committed this crime, the rest of us feel compassion are repulsed by it and my thoughts are with them.
So many hate crimes against different races, religions. Where is this hate learnt and why ?

if you are Jewish or not, the question is never asked

And that's how things are on the whole in London. In everyday life, the question is never really asked what religion anyone follows. Both ways. Most people live with tolerance and understanding of each other, side by side. There's social acceptance of everyone, which works well for all, regardless of our religion.

I lived in the Borough of Redbridge, Wes Streeting's patch, where a third of the population are Muslims, the highest concentration in England. Yet I taught in a neighbouring area of North London, where nearly half the population are Jewish. There were cracks, and the situation was fragile, but on the whole most people went about their daily lives rubbing shoulders in a peaceful manner.

Until ............. quite simply the tipping point,

Where did that brutal antisemitic massacre of October 2023 come from? Who was unwilling to return the hostages, alive or dead?

Whilst I agree to an extent that Trump and Netanyahu are to be held personally responsible for the actions they took/are taking, such antisemitic brutality on Day 1 was bound to bring about the starting point of something enormous, and these are now the consequences.

MartavTaurus

Allira

sixandahalf

Why are regular NHS ambulances insufficient?

Need you ask? 😲

Indeed!
If you put a 999 call through, it's likely that Friern Barnet in North London won't have an NHS ambulance free to dispatch immediately. If you are in the designated area and phone the number of the Jewish charity, you would probably get an ambulance within minutes.

As has been documented. And they don't care if you are Jewish or not, the question is never asked. There are loads of testimonials from non Jews praising the service. The Jewish volunteers even break the Sabbath and prayers when needed because saving lives is the ultimate aim.

Allira

sixandahalf

Why are regular NHS ambulances insufficient?

Need you ask? 😲

Indeed!
If you put a 999 call through, it's likely that Friern Barnet in North London won't have an NHS ambulance free to dispatch immediately. If you are in the designated area and phone the number of the Jewish charity, you would probably get an ambulance within minutes.

Are you from outside the UK sixandahalf?

sixandahalf

Why are regular NHS ambulances insufficient?

Need you ask? 😲

Yes, many people have.And if not on pavement then in shops and their own homes on the floor.

Oreo

Ask someone who has waited on a cold pavement for one to arrive for several hours.

Many people have?

Both evil

Both antisemitic attacks and Islamaphobia attacks are both regularly reported in the press and media.

Gosh that was awful. Doesn't seem to have had as much publicity. Probably happens more than we hear about.

Maremia

I don't believe that paddyanne's post is saying 'it's okay'.
I think she may be saying that there are other reasons for criminal destruction of property, by referencing events that occur in her area.
It is a principle on GN that Posters may put forward different points, as long as they stay within the GN rules.
In fact, this was just being discussed in a concurrent Thread.

I don't think anybody has said paddyann's post said it was OK, what we've said is she immediately dismisses it is an antisemitic act, despite the ambulances being clearly marked and parked next to a synagogue. If she is correct then I don't suppose the ransacking of a mosque and destruction of books that I read about over the weekend had anything to do with Islamaphobia but was just random vandalism that we see in other places, my grandson's Church nursery school for instance.

Ask someone who has waited on a cold pavement for one to arrive for several hours.

Yes, excellent statement by Wes Streeting.

Why are regular NHS ambulances insufficient?

ferry23

Pleased to see the Gofundme has almost reached target.

People selfelessly giving their time and expertise to others, regardless of their religion, race, gender, etc.

There's many a "hiding in plain sight" here on Gransnet.

Go fund what please?

Good for Wes Streeting😃

That’s something I noticed a good while ago Ferry23 ☹️

The Government has pledged to replace the ambulances.

The Government will fund the replacement of four Jewish community ambulances destroyed in an arson attack, the Health Secretary has announced.

Wes Streeting also pledged that staff from London Ambulance Service will support Hatzola – the charity that provides the ambulance service in Golders Green – to ensure emergency callouts are covered.

Speaking at the scene in north London, Mr Streeting said: “The aim of these attackers is clear.

“They want Jewish people in this country to live smaller lives, to live less Jewish lives, to be less visible as Jewish people, to fear going about Jewish life.

“I know that the Jewish community will not be cowed by this despicable act of evil, but it is the responsibility of the rest of us not to be bystanders.

“Every decent person in this country needs to stand up and speak up against this vile antisemitic hatred.

Pleased to see the Gofundme has almost reached target.

People selfelessly giving their time and expertise to others, regardless of their religion, race, gender, etc.

There's many a "hiding in plain sight" here on Gransnet.