Future of the Monarchy

Thank you Oreo and Rosie

butterandjam

JaneJudge

theworriedwell

JaneJudge

are they single income households?

Was that for me?

Yes it was. Rent on a 3 bed house where I live is £2k and it isn't even posh.

Does a single person need a three bed house?

Three single teachers could share a 3 bed house and pay £740 rent each.

Someone on a single income could be the parent of several children.

If someone has several children and a low income they'd probably get help with the rent.

Forgot to thank you too butterjam.

I posted on another similar Thread about a legal entity called 'The Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty' where the UK may now ask the US to send them unredacted files from the Epstein cache, to help in their investigation into AMW.

butterandjam

vegansrock

There would be nothing to stop Charles or William standing in an election for head of state should they wish to, at least we’d know then if they really wanted the job. Not sure why everyone imagines we’d get a President Trump- our system is nothing like that of the US.

Because if you elect a head of state, anybody can run.

Rich people from game shows , media celebrities. USA ended up with Reagan and Donald Trump.

In UK we've got rich/ambitious/popular celebs like Victoria Beckham and Alan Carr.

Heaven forbid an entertainer got elected, we could end up with a President like Zelinksky!

I think Zelensky's a bit of an outlier though, with our luck we'd get someone more in the Trump mould.

If we replaced the Monarchy with a president s/he wouldn’t have the power that they have in countries like USA where the role is both Head of State and H of Govt. It would be quite a boring job in many ways I imagine. And they’d have to pay taxes just like the rest of us and wouldn’t be exempt from Equality legislation and Freedom of Information and whatever else our HofS avoid. It’s interesting to look at the German and Irish models which gives you a much better idea. And we’d get to vote for them and when their term of office finished, we’d get to vote again. We could even decide we only wanted them to say have two terms in office. At the same time we could completely rethink our second chamber snd voting system and come out the other side with a grown up democracy. Ah well, I can dream. I’ll wake up now and think about the best we could realistically have which is a slimmed down monarchy on the Scandinavian style. With abdication at the latest at 75

SORES

“Whilst the Monarch occupies the highest office of State,
no one else can
While he is Head of Law, no politician can take over the
Courts
As Head of State, no General can take over the Government
As Head of the Services, no coup can turn the Army against
the people

The strength of the Monarchy does not lie in the power it
gives to the Sovereign
but in the power it denies anyone else”

This was the official description in 1969.

“Whilst the Monarch occupies the highest office of State,
no one else can That's the problem, hereditary non elected.
While he is Head of Law, no politician can take over the Courts. The Queen allowed Boris to porogue parliament. The court had to intervein to over rule her
As Head of State, no General can take over the Government. Monarchy gives too much power to government with no checks or balances which gives government too much power to do what it likes.
As Head of the Services, no coup can turn the Army against the people. Government wouldn't alow that to happen.
The strength of the Monarchy does not lie in the power it
gives to the Sovereign
but in the power it denies anyone else” The monarch cannot is not able to defend our constitution so is pointless.

This was the official description

I used to think the Monarch’s right to intercept a bad politician was reason to keep the monarchy until Boris got her to suspend parliament illegally.

Only if the Great British Public elect him

Hunros

Only if the Great British Public elect him

The Prime Minister is never elected by the Great British Public.

If the monarchy survive and I hope they do for reasons given here I don’t think the tax payer should keep paying to keep them in the lifestyle they seem to take for granted. They have what they have mostly because of the working people and they can no longer afford to pay so much.

Of course the general public want to see Andrew dealt with. However, I really don't connect it to the Monarchy in general. King Charles is not his brother, everybody knows that Andrew has been a loose cannon all his life. He's had an inflated ego that has been pandered to, if anybody could be seen as culpable for Andrew getting away with so much during his life, I think maybe Queen Elizabeth has more to answer for than anybody else. And I am a supporter of the Monarchy, especially of Elizabeth and her reign. Whether or not the Monarchy does come to an end at some later date I don't think the Andrew fiasco will be the cause.

I really hope to see an end to the monarchy in my life time. It can't come sooner. Charles and William are just covering their own backsides. If they were really concerned about what Andrew was doing they would have acted and spoken out sooner. They are only speaking out now / cutting Andrew off so it looks good in the press to save their own skins. I'm sick of their greed, entitled attitudes and if they really gave a stuff about "their" people they wouldn't be charging hospitals, the army, unoccupied prisons rent for using their land. Charles would also have paid inheritance tax on the £650 million he inherited from his mother. If I sound bitter then it's because I am. It's about time they were taxed properly, paid their dues and their money was cut off and given to improve the lot of the many.

The Andrew episode is indeed the most serious crisis for the Monarchy in my life time but it will survive. I mean, what the alternative - rule by government/parliament? There are more corrupt and dishonourable people in both Houses and even one of Andrew's equally depraved and dodgy co traitors whose nefarious past from the New Labour Blair and Brown years is well known by just about everyone so don't tell the Monarchy is over

No time at all for any of the royals except maybe for Princess Anne who seems to have a lot of common sense. Unfortunately the institution will probably survive and the lot of them will continue to live their lives of luxury at our expense.
I read this morning how William and Kate do like to keep the school hols for family time at one of their several homes - how many others with children can only dream of doing the same and know they will never be able to and instead have to scrabble around for childcare while they have to continue with their day jobs?
Don't wish any of them ill but am tired of reading how upset William was when Kate became ill with cancer. Sad yes, but exactly the same for every person who unfortunately suffers in the same way but without access to the very best care and specialists available in the country.

I'm not a big fan of the monarchy. However, when I look at the state the US is in at the moment I think, for the moment anyway, we are better with the constitution we have at the moment. Plus, I wonder who would become the Head of State if the monarchy was abolished. Looking at the current political talent I don't think we could do very much better than the current system. I have to say there are very few people in public office who inspire me.

Bear in mind that Putin was only entitled to two terms in office, until he changed the arrangements.

I agree with Ronib the monarchy is better, if it is properly run, than the sort of politicians who would try to become presidents. The King is going to set an example of proper management of crime within the family. Properly managed this incident will improve the standing of the family.

Samwam

Indeed. The Royal rot has been exposed because of records kept by Epstein, not because anybody in Britain has scrutinised Royal behaviour. The media has been silenced by being too eager to be kept in the 'pack' allowed access to the Royals, getting the heads up on Kates new dress or Williams 10 minutes of selling The Big Issue. We need a far more critical, independent media and to remove the shackles to permit our representatives to ask more informed questions about the Royals. We need accountability and public access to Royal finances.
We need to stop the undue deference to unearned privilege. It is absurd to claim 'The queen never put a foot wrong", "Charles is modernising the monarchy" '"William and Kate are faultless'.

The Queen knew what Andrew was doing, and paid £12 million to hush it up. The Queen had to be forced to pay taxes and covered up her own mother's and sister's excesses on the public purse. Philip was a national embarrassment. He insulted just about everybody he met and if he had been an employee of a proper 'firm', he would have been sacked. Look at what were called his 'gaffes' and compare them to anything Meghan is alleged to have said - wonder why he got away with his appalling behaviour and she was/is pulled apart for everything she allegedly said and did.
Charles, William and Kate were fully aware of Andrew's behaviour. They are backpedaling like crazy now because'Williams future is at stake'. They did not expose him when they should have done - they are facilitators. Suddenly they are 'thinking of the victims'. Too little and far too late.

We do not need a monarchy. Nothing stops happening when one of them dies. The country has survived the 'irreplaceable Queen' and 'irreplaceable Diana'.

If people believe we need a monarch, make it one. Not their family members - one King or one Queen who can live in one House! Civic gatherings can take place in one of the many civic buildings we have. Cut out the nonsense of countless palaces and hunting estates and the laughingly referred to Royal 'cottages'. Stop the extensive security for brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, aunts etc.

Above all give us openness. Public access to Royal finances. Utterly galling that our taxes paid for Andrew to have massages and to use a helicopter to play golf while allegedly representing us on the world stage. Stop the private Wills. Why can't we know what they pass on to family members? They can see all of our Wills!

Aside from the abominable behaviour of Andrew, where was the money coming from to enable him to fly around the world meeting up with the Epstein cronies anytime he wished? We now know Andrew and Edward and Sophie have been accommodated in mansions while paying peppercorn rents - why has that been kept from the public for so long? Charles, William and Kate obviously think it is fine to use public money this way.

Let us have a full assessment of lands held by Royals - what is actually owned by the public and how much money could realistically be made by changing its use.

It's delusional to think the royals are serving the public! They have been proven to serve themselves first and last. We will all survive without seeing them attending the real hardships like Wimbledon, Ascot, The BAFTAs, Cheltenham etc. We will manage fine without seeing Kate's latest dress or hairdo.

To keep these independently wealthy multi millionaires in constant splendour freely dipping into taxpayers money, while the public purse is stretched to breaking point is appalling. Enough.

This is not just an Andrew exposè - this is a Royal family exposè we are seeing now. There is corruption right through, that has the police and palace security silenced while the money disgusting abuse of public trust has taken place over many decades.

The King is going to set an example of proper management of crime within the family

Neither he nor William have clean hands to do this! They knew, they covered it up, they are only acting 'concerned' now because they have been shown to have kept silent about it all.

Allira Must agree, I know of many nurses, not so many teachers who do not use food banks. I dread to think who would be in charge without the Royals. Yes, the current issue brings a lot of disrepute but is there a family anywhere that doesn't have a blacksheep?

StoneofDestiny

*The King is going to set an example of proper management of crime within the family*

Neither he nor William have clean hands to do this! They knew, they covered it up, they are only acting 'concerned' now because they have been shown to have kept silent about it all.

What evidence is there that "they knew"?

It's a good job that our legal system requires evidence isn't it Caleo.