Comments on immigrant benefits

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LemonJam

Primrose53- "Seeking refuge from that nasty, dangerous place called France. yeah right!"

Pre Brexit the UK relied on the EU's Dublin agreement to return asylum seekers to France. This evidently stopped after Brexit thereby creating the problem. This is the outcome of the Brexit vote..

No its not. Pre Brexit hardly any migrants were returned, as I have already posted on other threads.

Lathyrus3

MaizieD

Lathyrus3

Well Maybee people know they can’t get a house and are living in B and B.

And they know that their council has housed immigrant families in their area.

So I suppose they think if there were houses available why did that family get it rather than mine.

What answer would you give them?

Have you failed to notice that putting immigrant families in hotels, which is essentially 'bed and breakfast' was the cause of demonstrations and near riots over the past year or two?

Put them in disused military camps and there's a huge protest about hundreds of young brown men at large planning to violate our women.

Put them in houses and they're taking accommodation which rightfully should go to people who've been on housing lists for years.

What is your answer?

I was replying to your other post that sad people only think there is a problem because what they see on Sunday dial media.

It’s this sort of dismissal of people’s actual experience that makes them feel unheard and of no account and that will lead to a vote for those who appear to be listening.

They are only assuming they can’t get a home? Silly them.
So if they’d get off social media and actually go out and look they’d realise there are plenty of homes out there?

I think you were replying to MayBee, not me.

But apart from the rather daft answer of 'don't let them come here' it seems to me that whoever is responsible for placing them has a problem whichever one they decide on.

sixandahalf

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I have a hatred of nobody. I have friends from different parts of the world who agree that we need to stop welcoming people into our country who have not come here legally. They came here legally and they worked and paid taxes and think it is unfair. Sorry if that doesn’t suit your agenda of labelling me as something I most definitely am not.

Emilymaria

@Primrose53 “Simple! Don’t let them in in the first place”
I hope, for the sake of you and yours, that you are never put in the position of seeking refuge, only to be met by hostility. Young men often come ahead to find work to provide for their families, or they may be fleeing conscription - as was the case with Hamas (I worked with a young Palestinian in fear of his life for refusing to work for them but who, regardless, the British Government were ‘repatriating’). I befriended a young Syrian man who had fled from conscription by Assad’s regime. But go on listening to Farage, Braverman, Patel if it suits your mindset. Just remember the £350m going to the NHS and what a brilliant success Brexit has been to underscore their honesty and integrity, and that Rwanda was deemed unsafe by our own defence force. The solution? Stop thinking that way. There is plenty of work that refugees will undertake while waiting to be processed: agricultural, care work, refuse disposal, street cleaning, supporting the homeless - and on, and on. People opened their homes to white Ukrainians - why not to the brown people fleeing for their lives???

Have you ever thought that those asylum seekers being refused entry here were lying about being forced to work with hamas and being conscripted in Syria?
Some will say anything in order to stay here.Not all that many took in Ukrainians and I can’t see the British public taking in anyone who arrives here on a small boat when they could stay in France in safety.

I refer to my list earlier today. The accommodation issues in my seaside town is unrelated to immigration.
This is a situation requiring long term planning, and, possibly, some rethinking of the tax advantages of running an Airbnb.

Emilymaria

@Primrose53 “Simple! Don’t let them in in the first place”
I hope, for the sake of you and yours, that you are never put in the position of seeking refuge, only to be met by hostility. Young men often come ahead to find work to provide for their families, or they may be fleeing conscription - as was the case with Hamas (I worked with a young Palestinian in fear of his life for refusing to work for them but who, regardless, the British Government were ‘repatriating’). I befriended a young Syrian man who had fled from conscription by Assad’s regime. But go on listening to Farage, Braverman, Patel if it suits your mindset. Just remember the £350m going to the NHS and what a brilliant success Brexit has been to underscore their honesty and integrity, and that Rwanda was deemed unsafe by our own defence force. The solution? Stop thinking that way. There is plenty of work that refugees will undertake while waiting to be processed: agricultural, care work, refuse disposal, street cleaning, supporting the homeless - and on, and on. People opened their homes to white Ukrainians - why not to the brown people fleeing for their lives???

It is nothing to do with the colour of their skin, don’t be silly. The Ukrainians came here legally and were mostly women and children. Their menfolk stayed behind to fight for their country.

These are mainly men of fighting age arriving here illegally and frequently lie about fleeing for their lives

Have you ever thought about those asylum seekers who are escaping being forced to work for Hamas or being conscripted to Syria, or who have worked with British military in Afghanistan or escaped from any other hell hole existence? We no longer have any means for them claiming asylum in this country unless they are actually in the country. Many of them speak English, have English connections because of our past history in their countries. Civilised humane countries accept their responsibility in accepting refugees, we take far fewer than most European countries and IMO we should improve our processing not try to build walls.

They can and do say anything once here.
We were only going to take Afghan families who had helped us as translators and other things but enormous numbers have arrived.
We can’t take everyone in the world who would simply prefer to live here, neither can all the other European countries.

foxie48

Primrose53

MaizieD

Lathyrus3

Well Maybee people know they can’t get a house and are living in B and B.

And they know that their council has housed immigrant families in their area.

So I suppose they think if there were houses available why did that family get it rather than mine.

What answer would you give them?

Have you failed to notice that putting immigrant families in hotels, which is essentially 'bed and breakfast' was the cause of demonstrations and near riots over the past year or two?

Put them in disused military camps and there's a huge protest about hundreds of young brown men at large planning to violate our women.

Put them in houses and they're taking accommodation which rightfully should go to people who've been on housing lists for years.

What is your answer?

Simple! Don’t let them in in then first place.

How will that solve the housing crisis? How does that get more homes built, reduce the cost of rents and buying a home?
"Approximately 6.5 million to 10 million people in the UK live in poor-quality, substandard, or non-decent housing, according to different studies. These homes often feature hazards like severe cold, damp, mould, or lack of modern amenities, with about 3 in 10 people in England affected. The crisis disproportionately affects young people, low-income households, and renters. " AI generated
The construction industry needs 45K extra workers annually to meet current demand. The construction industry board says it needs 150K extra skilled workers by 2028 to meet demand and there were 140K unfilled vacancies in 2025. Stopping small boats won't get houses built or train people, we are desperately short of labour!

150K skilled worked needed by 2028 and 140k unfilled vcncies in 2025

What makes you think these undocumented men are skilled workers? and with the unemployment figures growing, especially among our young people, why not give them the opportunity to be trained rather than strangers arriving illegally on our beaches

www.thesun.co.uk/news/38279745/migrant-households-pocket-benefits-study-claims/#:~:text=MIGRANT%20households%20have%20pocketed%20more,staggering%20bill%2C%20the%20research%20suggests.

£15 BILLION paid out in Universal Credit in just 18 months to households with at least one migrant family member.

That is absolutely shocking when our own pensioners and WASPI women must go whistle!

Check your sources.

Private Eye

Who’s behind the Centre for Migration Control? This so-called “research organisation” has been cited in The Sun, The Telegraph, The Times and Express - but it appears to be run by one man with a Brexit campaign past, publishing opaque and selective data and wild claims about migrants.

Good Law Project

Dodgy statistics and fringe beliefs: the groups behind Reform’s anti-migrant agenda

goodlawproject.org/dodgy-statistics-and-fringe-beliefs-the-groups-behind-reforms-anti-migrant-agenda/

'Some building blocks are in place. Peterlee will receive £20m investment over 10 years under the government's Pride in Place Programme. The council's £10.7m 'Horden Masterplan', developed before Reform's victory, will see three streets near Cotsford Primary demolished and replaced with 100 new homes. And in 2020, Horden train station opened after a £10m project, creating links to Newcastle and Whitby.

But Brexit has removed a key source of funding, which the area desperately needs. County Durham received £154m of EU funding between 2014 and 2020, about £22m a year. Since the UK left the European Union, it receives about half that amount, £12m annually, under the UK Shared Prosperity Fund.

At the same time, government statistics show that County Durham is home to seven of the 10 poorest rural communities in England, and that its former mining villages have become more deprived since the UK voted for Brexit in 2016.

Local groups continue to help those struggling financially. At Horden Youth and Community Centre, a main and dessert are served for just £3. They have a shop selling discounted toiletries too; it was recently stolen from.

Here, residents are despondent and angry.

Pat, 64, says the village has been left to "disintegrate" and believes the role of the EU was misunderstood. "Everybody thought the EU was about people coming into the country. They didn't portray what benefits we were having."

Denise sees investment in other nearby towns, like Seaham, and feels aggrieved that it hasn't been replicated in Horden. Her vote lies firmly with Reform UK. Brexit has failed due to the way it's been enacted, she says, and it's time to turn back to Nigel Farage'...this is from a BBC article on Facebook... I can't copy all of it.

sundowngirl Absolutely nowhere have I said that "undocumented men" (your phrase not mine) are skilled workers. Please read what I have actually posted not what you think I have posted.

How bizarre! Somebody has reported my comment.

What a strange place this site is. Almost as if there is some sort of underlying agenda here. It is deemed acceptable to post all sorts of unsubstantiated things but not to point out that an ex mining community is very poor.

Could it be sixandahalf the fact that you verbally attacked another poster with an unpleasant and personal remark, and that’s why your post was removed.Yes, I think that was the case.

foxie48

sundowngirl Absolutely nowhere have I said that "undocumented men" (your phrase not mine) are skilled workers. Please read what I have actually posted not what you think I have posted.

You wrote:-
"The construction industry board says it needs 150K extra skilled workers by 2028 to meet demand and there were 140K unfilled vacancies in 2025. Stoppingp small boats won't get houses built or train people, we are desperately short of labour!"

To mention the need for skilled workers and "stopping the small boats won't get houses built" in the same paragraph- It would appear that you believe that these arrivals on the small boats are those that will build the houses or train others to do so.

Perhaps you should read what you have posted

Thanks Graphite.

You are welcome, NS.

More on the "Centre for Migration Control" which isn't a centre at all.

The article that Primrose53 quotes from The Sun - her post Thu 19-Feb-26 21:51:14 - is another piece of fabrication from one man called Robert Bates.

Two years ago, Byline Times published an article about Tufton Street right-wing “think-tanks”.

It explains that the so called Centre for Migration Control (CMC) is just Bates … the former research executive of the now defunct Eurosceptic campaign group Get Britain Out … Research into CMC reveals that it is in fact a rebrand of Future for Leave, the “younger sibling” of Leave Means Leave, the former pro-Brexit pressure group, once again based at 55 Tufton St.

Guess what? It was co-chaired by Richard Tice and Brexit Party MEP John Longworth. Nigel Farage was its vice-chair.

You can read more here:

bylinetimes.com/2024/02/15/another-new-anti-immigration-pressure-group-is-launched-from-tufton-street-and-met-with-reams-of-media-coverage/

Another New Anti-Immigration Pressure Group is Launched from Tufton Street and Met with Reams of Media Coverage
The mysterious case of a tiny new ‘think tank’ launching – and being immediately granted gullible coverage from right-wing papers

In other words, Bates fabricates articles for Reform and feeds them to the the Sun, Mail, Express and Telegraph and GB News who print and broadcast them because it suits their agenda and that of their readers and viewers.

foxie48

Have you ever thought about those asylum seekers who are escaping being forced to work for Hamas or being conscripted to Syria, or who have worked with British military in Afghanistan or escaped from any other hell hole existence? We no longer have any means for them claiming asylum in this country unless they are actually in the country. Many of them speak English, have English connections because of our past history in their countries. Civilised humane countries accept their responsibility in accepting refugees, we take far fewer than most European countries and IMO we should improve our processing not try to build walls.

It is complicated, isn’t it? On one hand, UK has a moral obligation to accept refugees since it signed up to the UN Refugee Convention in 1950s.

Meanwhile, it struggles to provide housing for its own homeless—those evicted from rentals, now staying with friends, living in vehicles, or temporary accomodation as they wait for permanent homes.

Around 2 million people entered the UK between 2021 and 2024 via the Boriswave, Hong Kong scheme, and small boat arrivals, increasing pressure on the housing crisis as each individual and their family require accommodation.

If new homes are prioritised for asylum seekers, many British citizens may feel unfairly treated in their own country.

To make matter worse, the economy is struggling due to the November budget, and several people in my daughter's circle, including public sector workers, have been made redundant or are at risk of losing their jobs.

A joiner I spoke with recently cannot find work after Christmas—he has sent out 10 quotes but received no responses, when usually most would accept.

My window cleaner who runs his own business is considering emigrating.

My crystal ball tells me, Labour will be defeated in the forthcoming local elections because of the economy and immigration issues.

One large, well known and respected charity ran a programme to support refugees. The vast majority of service users were professional people

What I don’t understand is that many people that don’t want people coming to this country are also against giving countries overseas aid to make it easier for people not to leave ( and I know there will just be comments about the countries not using the money properly).

I have resided in several Muslim countries and frequently heard; 'your Government gives you free houses and money', and the general feeling was that all Westerners were rich.

I don't blame people for coming here. Is it really impossible to come up with a fair and organised system - have seen great ideas posted on GN. A city the size of Nottingham has arrived in the last decade. It's a question of numbers and sustainability. I fear for the next generation.

I agree barmcake
People wanting to come here doesn’t mean they should be allowed to, France said ages ago that the UK was a draw due to the benefits and they were right.

Oreo

I agree barmcake
People wanting to come here doesn’t mean they should be allowed to, France said ages ago that the UK was a draw due to the benefits and they were right.

Yes well said 👏👏👏👏👏