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If you want to know what Reform would be like in power, look at how it threatened Bangor University

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LemonJam Fri 13-Feb-26 23:58:13

Reform UK asked students at Bangor University would they like to enjoy a question-and-answer session with Sarah Pochin – the Reform UK MP famous for saying it “drives me mad” to see TV adverts full of black people – and Jack Anderton, the 25-year-old influencer who helped send Nigel Farage’s TikTok account viral among teenagers? No, the university’s debating society decided, it would not as nt “in line with our values” declining Reform’s offer, expressing “zero tolerance for any form of racism, transphobia or homophobia”.

Reform’s Zia Yusuf thundered on X that Bangor got £30m from taxpayers and he was “sure they won’t mind losing every penny of (their) state funding under a Reform government”.
So Reform threatens to put universities out of business – with all that would mean for students halfway through their degrees, or towns reliant on a major employer – if they don’t fawningly accommodate any regime-backed Reform political nonentity who asks is the stuff of autocracy, not democracy. And the lesson from Donald Trump’s America, where pro-free speech Republicans have proved remarkably intolerant of people speaking against them, is that the pressure rarely stops there.
What would stop the financial intimidation of a BBC reliant on the licence fee? What about charities and cultural or civic institutions receiving public grants, or newspapers with owners anxious to protect their other business interests, or schools? Though a Reform spokesperson later insisted Yusuf’s comments were “not party policy”, Yusef's literal job title is head of policy, and Reform has previously advocated removing at least some funding from universities that don’t protect "free speech".

LemonJam Sat 14-Feb-26 16:06:56

We can only speculate what Sarah Pochin and Jack Anderton planned to speak about under the banner of 'free speech'. As they weren't invited free speech was not the issue. My worry is Reform seeking to control such university debating societies and threats of defunding if in government office if debating societies do not comply with Reform's coercion and control....

1960srelic Sat 14-Feb-26 16:14:29

By the way, has Farage properly apologised for his antisemitic remarks when he was at Dulwich College? All he has said so far, to the best of my knowledge, is that he is sorry people were upset. If he had said that he had grown out of that silly phase and was now a better person that would have been adequate.

LemonJam Sat 14-Feb-26 16:18:21

1960srelic- Frage has changed his story quite a few times now- google the timeline of the different things he said- all minimising in nature, fails to take any accountability or responsibility, veering from cant remember, to inferring they are lying/making it up to well if I did make such comments no offence was intended...... No apology in the true meaning of the word to date.

Kitty55 Sat 14-Feb-26 16:25:53

My trust in (some) politicians of all parties has been abandoned over the years. They seemingly promising to do something good then do the opposite. In my opinion they have managed to ruin this great country, but I will say this, if you would prefer to have a leader like Trump then vote Reform. Heaven help us if they get in.

ronib Sat 14-Feb-26 16:30:17

Advance UK is joining up with Rupert Lowe’s party as a new and hopefully better option for the right wing. The election is 3 years away and all this hype about Reform is understandable but not at all likely to result in a Reform government.
Interestingly Italy has achieved stable government after a very difficult period so the UK might be better off with some form of compromise/coalition government? Eventually….

LemonJam Sat 14-Feb-26 16:32:04

I really do not want a leader like Trumping the UK thank you. I look at what he has done to University defunding in US with horror. I look at videos of shootings of citizens in the streets of Minnesota by ICE agents under the ideology of controlling borders with abhorrence. The sheer speed of Trump exerting such authoritarian control in this second term is not something to emulate in the UK. The fact Farage admires Trump and absorbs his ideology and absorbs/emulates his tactics with the aim of winning for electoral success is chilling.

LemonJam Sat 14-Feb-26 16:35:57

Ronib- I don't think this thread or any discussion about Reform/Frage is "hype" as such. I see it as debate and discussion of potential risks. I see it as opportunity to dissect and debate Reform's performance in Local Councils, Reform's propaganda and Reforms current media messages, ideology, culture, values etc etc. It may be too late to leave such debate for some future date imho...

Casdon Sat 14-Feb-26 16:41:23

Can you imagine the ARRs coalition. They would be infighting like rats in a sack before the ink was dry on the election results. Maybe to a refrain of I Just Can’t Wait To Be King.

grumppa Sat 14-Feb-26 16:43:26

Bangor could have said they would welcome the Reform speakers to a properly structured debate when they had a slot in their programme.

Oreo Sat 14-Feb-26 17:15:56

Casdon

Can you imagine the ARRs coalition. They would be infighting like rats in a sack before the ink was dry on the election results. Maybe to a refrain of I Just Can’t Wait To Be King.

We Labour voters can’t be too full of ourselves at the moment,
As there’s infighting aplenty and to the same refrain you mention.

LemonJam Sat 14-Feb-26 20:03:14

Grumpa 16.43- they chose not to it appears…

Casdon Sat 14-Feb-26 20:09:42

Oreo

Casdon

Can you imagine the ARRs coalition. They would be infighting like rats in a sack before the ink was dry on the election results. Maybe to a refrain of I Just Can’t Wait To Be King.

We Labour voters can’t be too full of ourselves at the moment,
As there’s infighting aplenty and to the same refrain you mention.

I wouldn’t know about that, as I don’t vote Labour in fact - but if I could, it wouldn’t stop me making fun of other parties, a little gentle humour is sadly lacking on here sometimes.

Mamie Sun 15-Feb-26 03:59:21

Bangor could have said they would welcome the Reform speakers to a properly structured debate when they had a slot in their programme.
How would you word the motion Grumppa?

This house believes that the Reform party is the answer to life and the universe.
This house believes that if an institution does not accept the dictates of the Reform party it should be closed down.

Any more?

ronib Sun 15-Feb-26 08:27:28

This house believes it is wise to split the right wing vote as this ensures Labour remains in power?

keepingquiet Sun 15-Feb-26 08:36:27

The right wing splits itself... it is the haven for power hungry narcissists who want to destroy society whilst making themselves super-rich. You don't have to go over the pond even to see how this works...it eventually eats itself.

nanna8 Sun 15-Feb-26 08:47:23

There is much less ‘free speech ‘ around these days. You have to toe the line or be labelled far right, racist or just generally horrible. The sick thing is that these people are often the real extremists just looking to denigrate people all the time and attacking people who follow religious beliefs that they don’t agree with.

ronib Sun 15-Feb-26 08:53:05

Isn’t it odd that Ben Habib and Rupert Lowe are both financially sound and don’t need handouts from friends for clothing and spectacles?

Casdon Sun 15-Feb-26 08:56:05

Anybody who supports free speech would surely agree that a student run, student supported group, in a university, should be allowed to debate whatever they wanted to discuss. Other students are free to either attend or not attend, there is no compulsion involved. That is what we are discussing here.

Mamie Sun 15-Feb-26 09:30:09

nanna8

There is much less ‘free speech ‘ around these days. You have to toe the line or be labelled far right, racist or just generally horrible. The sick thing is that these people are often the real extremists just looking to denigrate people all the time and attacking people who follow religious beliefs that they don’t agree with.

That is social media for you. I don't think you can say there are fewer opportunities for free speech.
In the past, the pub bore would only cause offence to those around him / her.
Now everyone can share their opinions worldwide.
I do think there are a lot of bots around at the moment. Always slightly dodgy on the spelling / grammar, phrasing, plus names you don't recognise.

Mamie Sun 15-Feb-26 09:36:16

ronib

This house believes it is wise to split the right wing vote as this ensures Labour remains in power?

Hmm I think that would be a bit too specific.
"This house believes that it is right to vote tactically to prevent those whose values they do not support, from being elected"?

Purplepixie Sun 15-Feb-26 09:40:00

Goodness knows what state the country will be in with Reform. Unfortunately Labour have a weak leader. I’ll never vote Reform.

Doodledog Sun 15-Feb-26 10:11:26

nanna8

There is much less ‘free speech ‘ around these days. You have to toe the line or be labelled far right, racist or just generally horrible. The sick thing is that these people are often the real extremists just looking to denigrate people all the time and attacking people who follow religious beliefs that they don’t agree with.

Who are 'these people'? And which line is it that you are saying we have to toe? If it's a line between being racist and not, I think it's fair enough that people should toe it, but maybe I'm missing something?

People have always fought over religion. That's not saying it's right, of course, but religion has probably caused more wars than anything else.

Oreo Sun 15-Feb-26 10:30:05

Casdon

Oreo

Casdon

Can you imagine the ARRs coalition. They would be infighting like rats in a sack before the ink was dry on the election results. Maybe to a refrain of I Just Can’t Wait To Be King.

We Labour voters can’t be too full of ourselves at the moment,
As there’s infighting aplenty and to the same refrain you mention.

I wouldn’t know about that, as I don’t vote Labour in fact - but if I could, it wouldn’t stop me making fun of other parties, a little gentle humour is sadly lacking on here sometimes.

Oh, it was humour 🤔

Oreo Sun 15-Feb-26 10:33:34

nanna8

There is much less ‘free speech ‘ around these days. You have to toe the line or be labelled far right, racist or just generally horrible. The sick thing is that these people are often the real extremists just looking to denigrate people all the time and attacking people who follow religious beliefs that they don’t agree with.

I totally agree👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
And the ‘be kind’ brigade are usually the narrow minded ones.

MaizieD Sun 15-Feb-26 10:46:03

nanna8

There is much less ‘free speech ‘ around these days. You have to toe the line or be labelled far right, racist or just generally horrible. The sick thing is that these people are often the real extremists just looking to denigrate people all the time and attacking people who follow religious beliefs that they don’t agree with.

I don't see the problem.

If you want to exercise your right to free speech by saying something that someone else finds 'far right, racist or just generally horrible' that person is equally able to exercise the same right to free speech and tell you what they think of what you said.