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I deplore Jim Ratcliffe's words. (owner of Man U)

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Wyllow3 Fri 13-Feb-26 09:42:19

I think Jim Ratcliffe was openly, and shockingly racist, and gave no credit for the value added to our economy over the years by hardworking immigrants

- we simply could not have managed without them, because our birthrate is not congruent with the needs of an aging population as many of us live much longer than we used to.
the NHS, the care profession, and many a person seeking a Polish Plumber (to give a well worn cliche an outing) could hardly exist.

His comments seek to divide us and to encourage racism, and yes, while he funds a footie club from afar haven for the tax dodger. Interviews with some of the fans, themselves sons of immigrants, show just how horrific his comments were - turning fans against fans.

Wyllow3 Sat 14-Feb-26 17:06:12

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This in one of the most articulate arguments I have read about the Ratcliffe controversy. From Damian Lowe on X.

Immigration is one of the most consequential policy debates in British politics. But when the language shifts from policy to “colonisation”, the debate stops being serious and starts becoming dangerous.

1. When figures such as Jim Ratcliffe describe modern migration in those terms, the frame changes. “Colonisation” is not a neutral descriptor. It invokes conquest, displacement and deliberate demographic subordination. That is a civilisational claim, not a policy critique.

2. Contemporary migration flows are the product of domestic political choices such as visa regimes, labour-market demands, higher-education financing and asylum processing capacity. They may be mismanaged. Many will think they are be too high. But let's be clear, they are not foreign armies planting flags.

3. Democracies need space to argue about scale, pace, integration, wage effects, housing pressure and social cohesion. Those are legitimate debates to be had. However, once the vocabulary becomes existential, trade-offs are recast as surrender and any form of compromise as capitulation.

4. Language now plays such a big role in shaping political incentives. If immigration is framed as regulatory overreach, the response is reform. If it is framed as colonisation, the implied response is resistance to occupation. That shift is not accidental. It alters the emotional temperature of the entire debate.

5. There is also a question of accountability. If migration outcomes are described as an external takeover, responsibility subtly shifts away from policymakers and towards migrants themselves. That confuses where power, and therefore responsibility actually sits.

6. None of this requires minimising public concern. Communities can feel strain without the country being conquered. The challenge in democratic politics is to address pressure without importing the logic of conflict into the everyday job of governing which is hard enough without interventions like Ratcliffe's.

7. Immigration policy deserves rigorous scrutiny. But rhetoric that casts it in the language of invasion does not clarify or help the issue, It hardens it.

A serious democracy can debate numbers and trade-offs. It cannot thrive if every disagreement is reframed as a struggle for survival.

This is an excellent analysis and shows exactly why Jim Ratcliffe's particular framing of the issues are dangerous and so very, very racist

Colonisation is what the BritEmpire did - take over a country either/or/and through armed repression or by economic means (ie ownership of the means of production and investment by a foreign entity. Also the imposition by the take over of ideology, for example in Africa, education meant following an imposed GB syllabus, language, at school and at work.

foxie48 Sat 14-Feb-26 17:11:03

Immigration is being blamed for pretty much everything ATM. Doesn't it ring any bells with people? Find a scapegoat and attach society's ills to that scapegoat and then use it to offer an easy answer to a range of very difficult and pervasive problems. This is what Reform is doing and it was at the heart of what brought Hitler to power in Germany.
Ratcliffe's use of the word "colonised" was not an accidental misuse of the word, it was IMO a deliberate device to suggest that British people were being subjugated by immigration. What absolute tosh!

Oreo Sat 14-Feb-26 17:22:27

Too much immigration is a very real problem there’s no point in trying to hide that.
Even the government is trying to get numbers down.

fancythat Sat 14-Feb-26 17:36:13

Rosie51

GrannyGravy13

Can anyone point to where I have posted that the High Street in question is unrecognisable due to immigrants please?

Well no, because you didn't, but don't let that stop those who would imply you did.

And this is all part of what I wrote upthread.

There is no reasoning to be had, with some, about the issue.

No middle ground. Nothing.

Wyllow3 Sat 14-Feb-26 19:04:32

Watch this great short video and the poster put up!
www.facebook.com/reel/850873744667198

foxie48 Sat 14-Feb-26 19:12:29

Oreo

Too much immigration is a very real problem there’s no point in trying to hide that.
Even the government is trying to get numbers down.

Of course "too much immigration" is a problem but what is "too much"? The vast majority of immigration is to those areas of our economy or services where we cannot recruit nationally or related to student visas that help to reduce the cost of educating our own students. Net migration has fallen drastically since Labour came into power, yet people still seem to think that immigration is a huge problem. It's not. It is nowhere near as problematic as it was in 2022, our net migration figures are reducing not increasing.

petra Sat 14-Feb-26 19:26:41

Wyllow3

Watch this great short video and the poster put up!
www.facebook.com/reel/850873744667198

That picture was put up yesterday.

dalrymple23 Sat 14-Feb-26 19:33:23

I agree with Opal as well. However you view his comments, why is it not now allowable to voice what you think and believe without being ostracised and cancelled? Even the PM said that we are strangers in our own country. I am certainly beginning to feel one.

Casdon Sat 14-Feb-26 20:16:52

It is allowable to voice your opinions, and it is allowable for others to voices theirs if they disagree with you. Sometimes more people disagree with you than agree.

Primrose53 Sat 14-Feb-26 20:49:48

dalrymple23

I agree with Opal as well. However you view his comments, why is it not now allowable to voice what you think and believe without being ostracised and cancelled? Even the PM said that we are strangers in our own country. I am certainly beginning to feel one.

We get a lot of people retiring up here from towns and cities where they feel like strangers. We hear it all the time. Until last year we rented out a property for holidays and the comments in the guest book usually said how good it was to enjoy a holiday in a part of the country which reminded them of their childhood. They also liked our local shops and cafes where they were welcomed.

theworriedwell Sat 14-Feb-26 20:56:05

Primrose53

I agree with what he said. It was just a few sentences and it seems to me it was just one word that offended SOME people. It wasn’t a foul mouthed rant, but a very brief and quietly spoken opinion.

We all know the NHS is full of people who came here many years ago but they came here LEGALLY and are greatly valued and respected. We have first hand experience of surgeons, nurses, doctors, cleaners etc as my son had major surgery last Oct at Addenbrooke’s and is now having chemo elsewhere.

Jim Ratcliffe paid £110 million in tax here in 2017/2018 before he decided to spend half his time in Monaco. To be honest I would probably do the same just as many other very wealthy Brits have done!

They didn't all come years ago. I was in hospital and my named nurse was from the Philippines and she'd been here a few months.

So he's just an immigrant where he is, don't know why he feels able to comment.

theworriedwell Sat 14-Feb-26 21:01:52

GrannyGravy13

Can anyone point to where I have posted that the High Street in question is unrecognisable due to immigrants please?

What did it have to do with the topic being discussed then?

Primrose53 Sat 14-Feb-26 21:08:24

theworriedwell

Primrose53

I agree with what he said. It was just a few sentences and it seems to me it was just one word that offended SOME people. It wasn’t a foul mouthed rant, but a very brief and quietly spoken opinion.

We all know the NHS is full of people who came here many years ago but they came here LEGALLY and are greatly valued and respected. We have first hand experience of surgeons, nurses, doctors, cleaners etc as my son had major surgery last Oct at Addenbrooke’s and is now having chemo elsewhere.

Jim Ratcliffe paid £110 million in tax here in 2017/2018 before he decided to spend half his time in Monaco. To be honest I would probably do the same just as many other very wealthy Brits have done!

They didn't all come years ago. I was in hospital and my named nurse was from the Philippines and she'd been here a few months.

So he's just an immigrant where he is, don't know why he feels able to comment.

You are right. Qualified staff are still coming here legally from other countries and rightly so. No problem with that.

theworriedwell Sat 14-Feb-26 21:08:29

PamelaJ1

It is very natural to want to live with and among those who are similar to oneself. Colonies are formed. Nothing wrong with that as long of those who have formed those colonies have come to this country with every intention of embracing our attitudes and becoming truly British.
They can keep their religion as long as their beliefs don’t clash with ours. For example if they want to eat Halal meat then so be it. I don’t and don’t expect to have to Google to see if my local supermarket is selling it. Just try it, it’s very confusing!

Many races have come here and settled very happily and just got on with it, it’s only relatively recently that we have had the sort of immigration that has caused us the problems and instilled the uneasy feelings that seem to abound now.
I don’t understand why we don’t just give contracts to those we need to come and work here. We were an expat family and when dad’s contract ended we left, persona non grata immediately.
When a couple of women went shopping on their way home from tennis, in their tennis gear, and had forgotten for a moment they were in a Muslim country they were arrested and, I believe, were deported. They didn’t obey the rules.

I think that the problem here is that we seem to bend over backwards to accommodate our immigrants and avoid upsetting them. I wonder if this was what Mr. Ratcliffe was trying to say?
At the moment I am staying in an area of Sydney that could be Hong Kong. You can hear Cantonese all over the place, it doesn’t seem to be a no go area. They are getting ready for Chinese New year. Kung Hei Fat Choy everyone.

I don't think the stories of immigrants is always very happy. My husband will talk about being spat on as a child with no idea what had done wrong, that was the 50s. He can talk about the prejudice he faced as the first black officer in his police force in the 60s. Even when numbers were low the white British weren't always tolerant.

Maremia Sat 14-Feb-26 21:09:58

Posters saying that many shops are now run by 'immigrants', would you prefer empty premises and the vandalism that follows?

Maremia Sat 14-Feb-26 21:12:25

When Italians first came to our shores, they opened cafes, and introduced us to fish and chips, now part of our national cuisine.

Basgetti Sat 14-Feb-26 21:14:51

Maremia

When Italians first came to our shores, they opened cafes, and introduced us to fish and chips, now part of our national cuisine.

Could be wrong, but I think it was Jewish immigrants who introduced fish and chips?

Meandrogrog Sat 14-Feb-26 21:42:06

foxie48

I stayed with my daughter for a couple of nights this week. Her local area is busy and thriving with a multi-racial community and it is a pleasure to visit. She's able to buy all her grocery locally including fish and meat together with a vast variety of foods from across the world. I love going out to eat there, this time we had good tapas pre-theatre and an amazing Moroccan brunch. I've eaten Indian street food, Thai, Bangladeshi, Vietnamese etc etc on visits in cafes and restaurants almost always with locals from that community. My DD works with a big range of Nationalities and has friends who would be classed as "immigrants". She and I celebrate the diversity we have in the UK, perhaps because we were both born in a big city with a diverse population so we saw people with different ethnicities as neighbours rather than a threat.

Halal meat? Very cruel imo.

Allira Sat 14-Feb-26 21:48:45

Basgetti

Maremia

When Italians first came to our shores, they opened cafes, and introduced us to fish and chips, now part of our national cuisine.

Could be wrong, but I think it was Jewish immigrants who introduced fish and chips?

You are correct, Basgetti. It was Jewish refugees who introduced battered fried fish to the UK.

Furret Sat 14-Feb-26 22:24:59

There was no excuse for these dangerously racist comments. The present climate of hatred directed at both asylum seekers abd refugees, is a disgrace.

CariadAgain Sun 15-Feb-26 07:19:11

Basgetti

Maremia

When Italians first came to our shores, they opened cafes, and introduced us to fish and chips, now part of our national cuisine.

Could be wrong, but I think it was Jewish immigrants who introduced fish and chips?

I feel a google coming on to check - I always thought "fish and chips" was our cuisine. Along with roast beef/yorkshire pudding and "cream teas"......

CariadAgain Sun 15-Feb-26 07:21:28

...and yep...re the halal meat dispute going on = I hadnt even realised our meat wasnt being prepared our way and would be shocked to find I'd inadvertently been eating that.

Thank goodness I haven't eaten meat for decades - so I won't have been conned into having that accidentally.

fancythat Sun 15-Feb-26 07:31:44

Furret

There was no excuse for these dangerously racist comments. The present climate of hatred directed at both asylum seekers abd refugees, is a disgrace.

I wasnt sure whether to pick up on this comment or not.

I cant speak for everyone is my first point.

I think, many people did not start off with hate[could be wrong.
I myself do not hate. Far from it.
I am a Christian. Love your neighbour as yourself.

For others, and again , could be wrong, as someone said upthread, they did not vote for people coming here, was it illegally.in such large numbers
No, they do not believe that everyone is fleeing from persection. Far from it.
No, they do not believe that the government is trying it's best in the situation,. Far from it.
No, they do not believe the situation will be stopped anytime soon.

So it is all being done "in their faces" so to speak.

Meandrogrog Sun 15-Feb-26 07:34:57

Furret

There was no excuse for these dangerously racist comments. The present climate of hatred directed at both asylum seekers abd refugees, is a disgrace.

Hardline Islam just needs enough useful idiots…….

GrannyGravy13 Sun 15-Feb-26 08:27:58

theworriedwell

GrannyGravy13

Can anyone point to where I have posted that the High Street in question is unrecognisable due to immigrants please?

What did it have to do with the topic being discussed then?

I was replying to a post by petra regarding her High Street, which I happen to know well.