Eugenie and Beatrice

My daughters were influenced by a senior police officer grandfather and parents working in safeguarding/ offending. At seven or eight they teased me for checking out their swimming instructor, an older man who got into the water with the children so physical contact. My childminders daughters were in the same class. My childminder worked in residential children’s setting before she had children. We agreed to find a different class.

I suspect the York daughters had different influences

Desdemona

At age 19 or 21 (as the girls were) I would have smelled a rat from a mile off, and been very aware of his convictions.

2 unsavoury facts I have learned today - Fergie and Epstein had sex numerous times and she was in love with him. Epstein was Cosmopolitan batchelor of the year in 1980.

Yuk.

Batchelor of the month. I stand corrected.

At age 19 or 21 (as the girls were) I would have smelled a rat from a mile off, and been very aware of his convictions.

2 unsavoury facts I have learned today - Fergie and Epstein had sex numerous times and she was in love with him. Epstein was Cosmopolitan batchelor of the year in 1980.

Yuk.

JaneJudge

sodapop

I do wonder how all this scandal is impacting on the marriages of Beatrice and Eugenie. It can't be easy for their husbands and wider family to see all this continually hashed over in the media.

Do you think they have the same marriages as us normal folk?

sixandahalf, that is so true re graduates getting jobs

They’re married ( I think) to a property developer and someone in finance. Is it cynical of me to think that their husbands wouldn’t have married them if they didn’t open doors to them. I do like Eugenie though.

JenniferEccles

I agree MT62. It was a dreadful term to use.
I remember reading about the number of holidays the sisters had even when they had just starred work, and wondering how on earth they could afford so many exotic jaunts.

I have no idea whether B&E were involved with Epstein or not, but feel money had an awful lot to do with his and the Yorks’ friendship. They do seem like pleasant young women, but we can’t know if they perhaps maintained contact, however small, with Epstein, maybe to ensure a holiday or two, or went visiting with Mummy if she was about to borrow some money from him.
I know, I’m very cynical for one so young!

When there’s an hereditary system which bestows titles, , privileges and wealth on the basis of who your parents are, then it only seems fair to accept the other side of the coin when your parents turn out to be appalling human beings. . B snd E could simply give up their titles and live off their well heeled husbands - they’ve never supported themselves.

sodapop

Not sure what you mean JaneJudge

Do you think they have the same marriages as us normal folk?

I don’t get this remark either.
It must be hard for their husbands to be supportive while probably feeling the deepest of disgust for their father in law.

Not sure what you mean JaneJudge

I doubt that they would have been "across the detail" ( if I can put it politely) of the Epstein shenanigins.I doubt that they were naive but how would normal young women even begin to imagine what was really going on in the Epstein mansion in Florida?
I'd always have done my Ma a favour if I could and didn't like to say "no" to her.
I doubt that they were any different.
Like Melinda Gates I bet they now just want to get away from "the muck".
I think we should let them.

sodapop

I do wonder how all this scandal is impacting on the marriages of Beatrice and Eugenie. It can't be easy for their husbands and wider family to see all this continually hashed over in the media.

Do you think they have the same marriages as us normal folk?

sixandahalf, that is so true re graduates getting jobs

Sad for them, seeing their parents pilloried while learning increasingly unpleasant facts about them at the same time.
I hope their marriages survive.

I do wonder how all this scandal is impacting on the marriages of Beatrice and Eugenie. It can't be easy for their husbands and wider family to see all this continually hashed over in the media.

JenniferEccles

I agree MT62. It was a dreadful term to use.
I remember reading about the number of holidays the sisters had even when they had just starred work, and wondering how on earth they could afford so many exotic jaunts.

I wonder how many Graduates get a job, let alone numerous holidays?

That was a shocking phrase to use. So disloyal to her daughter.

I agree MT62. It was a dreadful term to use.
I remember reading about the number of holidays the sisters had even when they had just starred work, and wondering how on earth they could afford so many exotic jaunts.

When Prince William asked Beatrice and Eugenie to audit their businesses (in the light of their parents' behaviour) they refused.

What kind of mother uses the term “ shagging weekend”?
I guess they are more street wise than we think at that age- maybe they regarded him (Epstein) as some sort of creepy uncle, as I think he would give off those vibes.

Of course when these girls were children they would have had no say in who their parents associated with, so couldn’t have been blamed for their friendship with Epstein yet once they became adults it was a different matter.
Yesterday the BBC reported that B and E had lunched with Epstein just days after his release from prison.
They also gave Epstein’s associates a guided tour of Buckingham Palace.

Why would they continue to be friends with a convicted paedophile?

Whether they should have had the Princess title conferred on them or not, as GC of the monarch, they were perfectly entitled to be styled thus.

Back in 1988 when Beatrice was born, it was still the done thing.

I know Anne refused titles for her children, but as a daughter, she wasn’t viewed quite the same as a son, Mark Phillips refusing one also, (no doubt on Anne’s instructions).

And by the time Edward had his family, times had changed a bit.

And of course the fact that Archie and Lilibet over in the USA are now entitled to be Prince and Princess is also completely daft….

I'm sure there are lots of us on here who parents or a parent ho acts in a morally corrupt way. It i no reflection on us as individuals nor does it suggest any direct involvement

I too feel sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie. It must be dreadful seeing your parents in the newspapers every day with yet more scandalous stories.

Louise Windsor, the daughter of Edward and Sophie. So Edward being Andrew's brother has brought his children up not to be trailed by the press, insomuch like you Mollygo, people aren't even aware of who she is, quite a good thing I think.

The girls can't help being the daughters of extremely bizarre, entitled parents. I agree that it must be humiliating and embarrassing for them, but as children, they had no say in the people they were introduced to.

As they are both married and have plenty of money, it's time for them to distance themselves, at least publicly, from their parents. How they behave in private is up to them.

Mostly I agree TerriBull
But my children and yours and their peer groups would not have been trailed by the press as even Louise Windsor was. (Who’s she? I suppose I could Google it but I CBB)

I think it's a lot to do with how anyone is raised and that includes those from the royal family. Lets not forget how Andrew insisted on having private detectives for B&E. I can't help contrasting those two with Lady Louise Windsor, who allegedly got a minimum wage job at a local garden centre, whilst she was doing A levels (good for her) and was recently photographed, presumably coming home from university sitting on the floor of a very crowded train.

I think it's fair to say that because the Princesses, and that was a mistake conferring the Princess title on them in the first place, have been massively cossetted throughout their lives they have very little touch with reality. That came across in a couple of interviews I read with them, one where they stated they were "just a couple of ordinary hard working girls" no you're not! and one of them had dyslexia at school and she viewed it along the lines of some sort of blessing in disguise, I think Camilla Long in The ST, who admittedly is no royalist, wrote rather scornfully, maybe if she'd had attended a school in the cash strapped state sector she might have a different pov on that. They've been parented by a couple of ridiculously entitled profligate free loaders, so of course, like anyone else they've been shaped by an over -indulged upbringing I've actually got a friend who cossetted her child in the most ridiculous way, driving her to school until she was 18, because somewhere along the line that daughter deemed getting on buses was beneath her, my children and their peer group were negotiating the way round parts of Greater and inner London from about 12ish on buses. I just think bringing offspring up to believe they're ultra special hinders development in becoming their own person. I can quite believe B&E because of the gilded cage and their privileged but controlled lifestyle wouldn't have the nous and independent thought that possibly many of their contemporaries would have at their age and just accepted the circumstances they found themselves in when wheeled out by their parents.