Entering the UK- or going to happen now

Tuliptree

Rosie51

Ok I was wrong about the voting. How strange we feel able to insist on conferring British citizenship but not eligibility to vote by the same criteria. Almost like we're cherry picking........

Very wrong Rosie - not a small error. So when the Tories in 2022
passed this legislation, even they thought that bring given the right to vote should involve more than citizenship but actually at minimum having lived in this country. Tories also passed the law changing British by descent rules. But I expect you know all this?

The rules have changed more than once.
2006 was the last change.

BlueBelle

I dont think anyone is getting Nana8s anger
The rules for Uk have changed and she can no longer get into Uk on her Australian passport alone

Yes, she can.

Rosie51

Ok I was wrong about the voting. How strange we feel able to insist on conferring British citizenship but not eligibility to vote by the same criteria. Almost like we're cherry picking........

Very wrong Rosie - not a small error. So when the Tories in 2022
passed this legislation, even they thought that bring given the right to vote should involve more than citizenship but actually at minimum having lived in this country. Tories also passed the law changing British by descent rules. But I expect you know all this?

X post with Tuliptree.

Oh wow, I had no idea it was so many affected. If they all decided they'll exercise their right to vote in our elections I bet there'd be a rapid change of policy.

If someone previously lived here then yes, they can vote in UK elections. They have to re-register their right to do so every three years.
As far as I know, this does not apply to those who are British by descent, unless they were resident and registered here at the time.

Ok I was wrong about the voting. How strange we feel able to insist on conferring British citizenship but not eligibility to vote by the same criteria. Almost like we're cherry picking........

If British by descent ie born in Australia in this example of a British parent ( who is not British by descent) the csn only register to vote if they have lived in UK ( and I don’t know how that’s determined ) or if they have previously been registered to vote. So basically they’d have to come and live here- so would need a UK passport. Then register to vote or just live here for? Then go back to Australia and register as an overseas voter.

Rosie51

Allira
Like 250,000 other Australians:
They are automatically British citizens by descent whether they want to be or not. They may not have even have realised this.
They are Australians and, like other Australians, want to travel with their Australian passport and an ETA or Visa if required.

Oh wow, I had no idea it was so many affected. If they all decided they'll exercise their right to vote in our elections I bet there'd be a rapid change of policy.
Presumably there are large numbers scattered in Canada, New Zealand as well as other countries who also might want to take up the right........

No they do not have the right to vote if British by descent.

It's sensible apply for British citizenship if Australians want to come and work here and are eligible, of course.

That would be the best way forward.,

Allira
Like 250,000 other Australians:
They are automatically British citizens by descent whether they want to be or not. They may not have even have realised this.
They are Australians and, like other Australians, want to travel with their Australian passport and an ETA or Visa if required.

Oh wow, I had no idea it was so many affected. If they all decided they'll exercise their right to vote in our elections I bet there'd be a rapid change of policy.
Presumably there are large numbers scattered in Canada, New Zealand as well as other countries who also might want to take up the right........

DaisyAnneReturns

On forums, once someone has:

Repeated the same grievance
Ignored explanations
Shifted the goalposts
Continued arguing after factual clarification

…it usually isn’t about the passport anymore.

And why do some insist on repeating false information ie they can choose to do an ETA or get a British passport which is factually wrong?
Of course it's about the imposition of British citizenship and the necessity of a British passport. The cost of the passport is going to be much greater for these unwilling participants when they have to obtain original copies of grandparents' birth certificates and marriage certificates if these aren't in their possession. Do you all have copies of your grandparents' birth certificates?
Once you've had a justified grievance 'explained away' does it stop being a grievance for you? nanna is far from alone in her grievance about this policy. The internet is awash with articles and complaints from people affected.

DaisyAnneReturns

On forums, once someone has:

Repeated the same grievance
Ignored explanations
Shifted the goalposts
Continued arguing after factual clarification

…it usually isn’t about the passport anymore.

Yes just yes .

On forums, once someone has:

Repeated the same grievance
Ignored explanations
Shifted the goalposts
Continued arguing after factual clarification

…it usually isn’t about the passport anymore.

Rosie51

JackyB a few of us have explained this very point, several times, on this thread but some just either don't read other's posts or aren't processing the information.

Yes, it falls on deaf ears.

Like 250,000 other Australians:
They are automatically British citizens by descent whether they want to be or not. They may not have even have realised this.
They are Australians and, like other Australians, want to travel with their Australian passport and an ETA or Visa if required.

They then have to pay for the privilege of this possibly unwanted citizenship or pay even more to divest themselves of it!

Surely it would be better if the rules were that they could apply for British citizenship if they are entitled and if they want to claim it.

This "privilege" 🤔 may be welcomed by some but not by all.

JackyB a few of us have explained this very point, several times, on this thread but some just either don't read other's posts or aren't processing the information.

Crossed posts! Rosie said almost word for word the same as me but was quicker off the mark!

Bluebelle says above:

^So the choice is get an ETA (electronic visa) or apply for a British passport and use that
Your grandkids need something

They do NOT have this choice. This is the whole point of nanna8's original post. If they apply for ETA they will be refused.

There are quite a few people now popping up all over the internet explaining this.

BlueBelle So the choice is get an ETA (electronic visa) or apply for a British passport and use that

No that isn't their choice, how have you missed that this is not an option for nanna's granddaughters? They'd love to get the much cheaper ETA but even though they were born in Australia to an Australian born father, are Australian citizens and have Australian passports that is not an option. They, for some bizarre reason, have to accept dual nationality (or pay a very high price to renounce the unwanted British part) and apply for British passports.
Your grandchildren should look at their situation, they may find they too have dual citizenship and will be forced to suck it up and apply for British passports.

I know someone whose British parents were working overseas when she was born. She was able to have British citizenship. However, she was also living abroad when her child was born so this child cannot have British by descent. It’s causing problems but she accepts she should have thought about this and come home to have the baby.

nanna8

The thing is ,it is grandchildren we are talking about. Not children. Why on earth would they want to have British passports ? It is forced on them if they want to visit the UK. Yes, forced. No choice. Ridiculous money grabbing.

Yes nanna it’s getting boring now. The whole issue of British by descent impacts more than just your family and would be really complex to solve. You chose to emigrate after you’d had your daughter - if you’d emigrated before her birth your grandchildren would not have had British by descent probably. So actually it’s all your fault 😂

Oh Nana8 suck it up, like we have to when we come to Aussieland we can’t just walk in, we need Visas, this is just an updated electronic visa with a new name
So the choice is get an ETA (electronic visa) or apply for a British passport and use that
Your grandkids need sonething
Mine are coming over from NZ for a holiday they will need to get an ETA as they don’t have British passports
No one is punishing you or your family no one is trying to grab your money either, come using the new rules or don’t they have a choice
Travel is expensive I have one grandaughter travelling round Asia at the moment she needs different paperwork for each country she needs expensive jabs, for different countries Travel isn’t cheap. Your grandkids don’t need jabs so that s one expense they haven’t got

The thing is ,it is grandchildren we are talking about. Not children. Why on earth would they want to have British passports ? It is forced on them if they want to visit the UK. Yes, forced. No choice. Ridiculous money grabbing.

Rosie51

I've never wanted it repealed, I agree there'd likely be a huge pushback, I just want people to apply or at least consent to it if offered. It's the unwanted imposition I object to. nanna8's granddaughters didn't apply for this they've had it imposed on them against their wishes. There's no escaping that it is costing them more to enter the UK than other Australian visitors.

So back to what I posted up thread - that the child would have the right to UK citizenship but would have to apply for it? In cases like that, the British born parent still has their UK citizenship so what happens with them? I just think there’s not an easy solution. I do think the fee for renouncing should just reflect the actual costs of processing it.

I've never wanted it repealed, I agree there'd likely be a huge pushback, I just want people to apply or at least consent to it if offered. It's the unwanted imposition I object to. nanna8's granddaughters didn't apply for this they've had it imposed on them against their wishes. There's no escaping that it is costing them more to enter the UK than other Australian visitors.

Rosie51

^What is the reasoning behind all this? It gives dual nationals Right of Abode - but most just want to come on holiday or visit relatives and escape back to Australia!^

Exactly!

Several posters have been keen to point out it gives the right to live here, work here etc etc but the vast majority have no interest in doing either so no it isn't a benefit to them, just an unnecessary inconvenience and cost.

It would be interesting to see how people reacted if the British by descent legislation was repealed. Remember atm it gives the right to every child born overseas with a British parent born in the UK. I think there would be serious pushback in some quarters.