How long can Starmer survive? Getting popcorn ready 🍿🍿

kittylester

No, she is too left wing and isn't squeaky clean herself.

That does not make me a snob.

Yes agreed nothing to do with "too common" or even too fat, which clearly she isn't or the green trouser suit, which was neither here nor there imo.

I'm afraid the stamp duty debacle has done for her.

MayBee70

Primrose53

MayBee70

Primrose53

My gut feeling is Starmer will soon be gone.

Angela Rayner ready to step in apparently. Can you imagine her in that position?

Why? Is she too common?

Nooooo ……. Surely not! 🤣🤣

Which proves my point. Are we resorting to fat shaming now?

I never mentioned fat!

No, she is too left wing and isn't squeaky clean herself.

That does not make me a snob.

MayBee70

Primrose53

MayBee70

Primrose53

My gut feeling is Starmer will soon be gone.

Angela Rayner ready to step in apparently. Can you imagine her in that position?

Why? Is she too common?

Nooooo ……. Surely not! 🤣🤣

Which proves my point. Are we resorting to fat shaming now?

Wouldnt have thought so.

Anyways - what about Maggie Thatcher and Teresa May (both of similar build as I recall) and so I don't think that's the case.

Now Teresa May I did have some time for - as at least she seemed to be trying to run the country for our benefit and to be "human".

Now thinking about former Prime Ministers and what is peoples verdict on who the one mentioned in the Epstein papers is? I'll give a clue - the date 1997 came to my mind...

Primrose53

MayBee70

Primrose53

My gut feeling is Starmer will soon be gone.

Angela Rayner ready to step in apparently. Can you imagine her in that position?

Why? Is she too common?

Nooooo ……. Surely not! 🤣🤣

Which proves my point. Are we resorting to fat shaming now?

surfsup

^The destruction of the UK started in 1979 when Margaret Thatcher became prime minister and has continued, with a brief pause, for the last 46 years. What we're experiencing is the end time...^

I disagree. 1997 and the arrival of Blair was the beginning of the destruction of the UK.

So Thatcher privatising our gas, electricity and water, selling our assets in the North Sea and not replacing council houses which disappeared under the right to buy did no damage?

Rayner has already proven herself to be "on the make and on the take". That careful "stewarding of facts re her house purchase" coming to mind here.

Couldnt care less re her being a Northerner. But she has already proven in more than one way that her attitude to our money leaves somewhat to be desired. Goodness - she's only been on the "naughty step" for 5 months and already she's after staging a comeback and we're not told how in order or otherwise her own affairs are now.

Though she may have a bit more political nous in one or two respects than some - can't say why because it's the 2020's.

What we need are intelligent and honest politicians no matter where they hail from.

Angela Rayner has always said she is a "gobby northerner".
Don't think she is right for government but maybe we need more gobby northerners as the old Etonian types have not worked.
Most are far removed from the ordinary working people in this country.

CariadAgain

Primrose53

Starmer promised to stand by the WASPI women. He has done no such thing. A lot of female pensioners put their trust in him.

I'm surprised if they did.

I signed that letter trying/hoping to get my money back at some point. But still didn't believe I'd ever get any of it - even when promised what would have been around £2,000 in my case (to which I was thinking "They need to add a couple of 0's to that to make good in my case).

So - never believed for one second - even at the "You are going to get a tiny bit of what you're owed" point. Just joined the campaign and signed that letter - just in case I was wrong and might get something at any rate.

I wonder how many of us did believe we'd see any of our money returned to us in the event - but I expect a lot of the other WASPI women were just as "might as well sign - but I'm cynical" as I was.

Doesn’t alter the fact he lied.

MayBee70

Primrose53

My gut feeling is Starmer will soon be gone.

Angela Rayner ready to step in apparently. Can you imagine her in that position?

Why? Is she too common?

Nooooo ……. Surely not! 🤣🤣

Primrose53

Starmer promised to stand by the WASPI women. He has done no such thing. A lot of female pensioners put their trust in him.

I'm surprised if they did.

I signed that letter trying/hoping to get my money back at some point. But still didn't believe I'd ever get any of it - even when promised what would have been around £2,000 in my case (to which I was thinking "They need to add a couple of 0's to that to make good in my case).

So - never believed for one second - even at the "You are going to get a tiny bit of what you're owed" point. Just joined the campaign and signed that letter - just in case I was wrong and might get something at any rate.

I wonder how many of us did believe we'd see any of our money returned to us in the event - but I expect a lot of the other WASPI women were just as "might as well sign - but I'm cynical" as I was.

ronib

Al Carn might have too much integrity to handle the role of PM. He might find it difficult to say one thing and do another…..

That very necessary trait for any PM 😂

Al Carn might have too much integrity to handle the role of PM. He might find it difficult to say one thing and do another…..

nanna8

I thought Thatcher was detestable and thanked my lucky stars that by then we had cut our ties with the Uk. She destroyed so many lives and I have to say, much though I detest Starmer, he is a better person than she was. He just can’t govern effectively and needs to be a Foreign Minister not a Prime Minister. I’m not sure who would replace him, they all seem to lack the leadership skills. Any decent back benchers ?

I agree with you, but replaced at some point well before the election he must be!

ronib

But the chain of command in the Royal Marines won’t be anything like the structure of holding high political office. As we have seen with Starmer, holding an important position doesn’t mean success as a prime minister. In fact, it feels more and more that this role is too much for anyone incumbent. Much better to follow the French division of power and reinvent the role between foreign and domestic.

Have you heard him speak Ronib?

But the chain of command in the Royal Marines won’t be anything like the structure of holding high political office. As we have seen with Starmer, holding an important position doesn’t mean success as a prime minister. In fact, it feels more and more that this role is too much for anyone incumbent. Much better to follow the French division of power and reinvent the role between foreign and domestic.

Being able to climb Everest in less than five days feels like quite an advantage for a potential Prime Minister. 😊

Thank you Mamie for the post about Al Carns.
Never heard of him previously , but an impressive CV.
Will continue to watch.

Delene100

People talk about u turns but appointing Rachel Reeves as Chancellor was a big mistake on Starmer's part. She made policies that we were not thought out. She obviously didn't listen to back benchers or advisers. I think her policies with the u turns have made the public turn on Starmer. He seems to have very poor judgement and not good advice from those around him.

Starmers centerist policies were good and credible but the new leftist MPs wont support them, which means the economic revival is not going to happen, we will be stuck with a lame duck government.

I disagree with you strongly with you about Margaret Thatcher, nanna8. She did not destroy many lives, she destroyed destructive and outdated union practices and broke the grip of the unions on Industry. Now Rayner, only in Parliament because of union support, is considering standing for PM; more treachery.

Starmer is driven by his own ideology, which is not that of the current Labour party.The present disaster has erupted because of his appalling decision to appoint Mandelson despite awareness of his links to Epstein and knowledge that the Files were under investigation and contents likely to be revealed. He has worked with Mandelson throughout his parliamentary career and used his Machiavellian skills to his advantage, he thought. Now they have rebounded on him.
It is Starmer's flawed character which has destroyed him; hubris.
As to his successor, at present, no idea. What a state to be in, with the awful example of the Tory downfall still fresh.

I think Keir Starmer will remain for the moment, but in the long term I would put money on Al Carns. Charisma and an amazing CV. (DSO OBE MC).

I thought Thatcher was detestable and thanked my lucky stars that by then we had cut our ties with the Uk. She destroyed so many lives and I have to say, much though I detest Starmer, he is a better person than she was. He just can’t govern effectively and needs to be a Foreign Minister not a Prime Minister. I’m not sure who would replace him, they all seem to lack the leadership skills. Any decent back benchers ?

I cannot see how Starmer can stay in post, but who is there to take his place? On bended knees I beg, please not Rayner, why is she still in the picture and with bodyguards, couldn't make it up. Labour have left it wide open for Reform, heaven help us.
Surely we can't get much lower.

Do MI5 routinely inform party leaders if they have MPs where there are suspicions? Genuine question, I wonder how joined up it is.