The U.K. has the third largest level of on line child sexual abuse in the world

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Jonathan Haidt Brings New Evidence to the Battle Against Social Media

The author of “The Anxious Generation” shares his latest research about the harms social media is doing to children.

Thank you for the link Monica- yes some surprising names and historical legal submissions made.

Of interest- Child pornography (Indecent images): The Protection of Children Act of 1978 made it illegal to produce or distribute indecent images of children under 18. This was extended in 1994 to include "pseudo-photographs", images that appear to be real but are not.

Explicitly, there then was and still remains the case, that there is no onus on the prosecution in criminal proceedings to demonstrate the children in the images had suffered harm. It is accepted as intrinsic.

M0nica

GrannyGravy In the 1960s the Paedophile Information Exchange which advocated for the perversion were mainstream for a few years, as all those flower people, competed to show how liberal and open-minded they were.

this link provides very intersting reading. There are anumber of names mentioned that will surprise you en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

They were the names I was trying to remember.

Thank you M0nica

If we are now including online porn yes the UK would be a large consumer not the vast majority is legal Adult performance. Society permits that material to be openly available if you don’t like start a campaign to stop it.

Underage material is on the dark web get caught and you go to jail and plenty do

Just passing through when I noticed this forum. As I recall, SKY tv used to have adult channels showing in late evening whereby they advertise as pay to view. I have no idea if these porn channels are still showing. It has been some years since I had SKY tv. And, no, they never interested me. Too much of a romantic.

GrannyGravy In the 1960s the Paedophile Information Exchange which advocated for the perversion were mainstream for a few years, as all those flower people, competed to show how liberal and open-minded they were.

this link provides very intersting reading. There are anumber of names mentioned that will surprise you en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

Maremia 16.27 - thanks.

I would like to know the details of the surveys undertaken to provide these figures. The backgrounds to these groups, , who funded them, what survey methods were used and irrefutable reputable sources that verified and published the figures.

Far to often these figures are proven to be wrong in some way, or the surveys are undertaken in a way that slants the results towards the motives driving those funding these surveys.

These uestons are not asked to dismiss these figures but if figures as shocking as these are published they must be properly verified to stop those opposing controls using the unreliability tof the figures o attack those trying to stop this behaviour

It is an N&P Thread and is my daily top Threads just now.
'Suella leaves the sinking ship'. The Posters have moved on to discussing Reform policy.

Maremia 16.14- what's the title of the Reform thread you refer to and which forum is it in?

sixandahalf 16.03 "Money, I suppose? It's usually about money".

Sadly yes, it's always about the money. Those that profit from abusing children and distributing illegal images. Internet Providers that facilitate such trade.

Bit neither could profit without a willing market.

I didn't know that about Reform. Wonder how many of our GN Reform supporters are aware of that plan?
There is another Thread just now about Reform.

Well that is an easy question to answer . Fears about free speech for adults and keeping children safe are a fine balance. The last owner of twitter banned women who raised concerns about child safeguarding in the gender debate which obviously led to children being harmed.

Trump makes Tariff threats. Trump and Vance have made clear they do not like the UK and EU's approach to Online Safety laws. They have threatened retaliatory action.

The world is not an easy place...

Reform has pledged to immediately repeal the Online Safety Act 2023 , describing it as "dystopian piece of safe legislation that "threatens free speech". Make of the what you will.

The work to implement the Act's provisions are taking a phased approach to bring internet providers duties into effect to protect children.

Trump is known to be well in with internet provider leaders- Musk et all. Farage is well in with Trump. Political parties rely on contributions- Internet providers contribute. Musk has previously promised to contribute significant sums to Farage/Reform- subject to conditions being agreed. Make of that what you will. Reform seeks to appeal the On Line Safety Act. Make of that what you will.

I wish I had those suggestions LemonJam.
If we can work out a way to force the tech bosses to intervene, that would be a start.

I think a culture change would be helpful, language is important, not child porn but child abuse images.
I would also as successive governments have promised have an enquiry into the damage that is done to all people by the watching of porn.
Excessive porn use usually figures in the background of many violent sex offenders.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

What must be done is to stop these lowlife from the ability to access the children.

It is possible - people know better than me - but is not being done at present.

Because we will never stop these people with such skewed brains from carrying out their evil acts by any other means.

That’s the bit that I just cannot understand why are the internet platforms not blocking these sites?

They must have the algorithms and programs to be able to do so.

If the low life’s are paying to watch the abuse, surely their card payments can be traced?

It’s difficult now to purchase anything online as the majority of banks/card providers ask for two authentication methods.

Money, I suppose?

It's usually about money.

Based on data from the Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) THE uk has historically beed identified as one of the top countries for consuming or engaging in online child sex abuse, i.e downloading material. It is not one of the top countries for hosting the material. The Netherlands and the USA often lead in hosting child sex abuse material.

Why is the UK such a large consumer? All suggestions welcome. What can the government do to reduce such consumption? All suggestions welcome

David49

This is rubbish however bad it is in the UK it’s far worse in developing countries but there is so much corruption it gets covered up
The police in the UK know pretty much what’s going on, given more resources the SS and police could do a lot more but they haven’t so they can’t

Data just isn’t collected, trafficking out of Asian and African countries cannot be counted migrants are counted in millions so tens of thousands in the sex industry or slavery

OP- 'Nothing at present is being done to stop this. Government authorities must be held to account to stop this.'

I respectfully disagree that nothing is done to prevent the downloading and distribution of online indecent images involving children under 18 or none consenting adults. There are laws detailing categories of indecent images, and making it illegal to do download and distribute.

I go into police stations supporting children and vulnerable adults before, during and after their police interviews when arrested for such crimes. I explain bail conditions of what dark web sites they are not allowed to access whilst awaiting trial.

The LAW thus holds individuals accountable. The government seeks to hold internet providers accountable via things like legislating for the Online Safety bill- you read the push back in the media. I don't easily see how any government of any party persuasion, can be held accountable for the exponential growth of illegal downloading and distribution of pornographic images of children and individuals that download and distribute illegally. All suggestions welcome.

Sadly, we are delusional if we think any government has the slightest control over the internet, other than those which are led by a dictator who does not allow access.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Why are you holding government to account rather than the tech giants that profit?

GrannyGravy13

My memory may or may not be playing tricks but a few years ago wasn’t there at least one mainstream MP who was all for sex with children or as it should be called child abuse being made legal in the U.K. ?

It is appalling and unthinkable what these children go through. What are the internet platforms doing to prevent this? They must have algorithms to find and locate these vile individuals abusing and those sick b*##*rds paying to watch.

We visited Thailand 17 years ago, and it was a common sight for old (usually fat and ugly) western men with obviously underage Thai girls (and in some cases boys) openly walking around holding hands and/or plying them with drink in the seedier bars. We vowed never to return to that part. Whilst there ant talking to hotel staff, we found out that it is common practice for the eldest child, whatever their gender to be sent to this town from their villages around 14/15 years of age, sometimes younger, basically sold into prostitution.

We were so relieved when we moved on to our next base, out of this main town.

I well remember, many years ago now on our first visit to Bangkok, seeing tiny little Thai girls who TBH looked no more than about 12, walking down city centre streets with gross, fat, paunchy old European men - all quite openly.

This was in the mid 70s - long before the general availability of the internet - goodness knows how much more of it goes on now.

As pps have said, in a good many countries so much abuse will be ignored, or swept under the carpet.