Andy Burnham blocked from re-entering parliament.

Barbadosbelle

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2TK voted 'no'.
He's definitely running scared.
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Is 2TK a number, an acronym?

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Oh dear.

Barbadosbelle

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2TK voted 'no'.
He's definitely running scared.
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GrannyGravy13

MayBee70

Lesley60

I have been saying ever since Starmer started braking his promises (as soon as he got in) that Andy Burnham would make a better prime minister.
It’s obvious why he has put a stop to him becoming an MP as he knows he would beat him in any vote, but in doing this he has paved the way for Reform, as I don’t think many people would vote again for Starmer or the Tories.
In my opinion Ed Davey is also missing a trick with the two main parties being so unpopular he doesn’t appear to be pushing his party, his silly stunts aren’t going to win votes

His ‘silly stunts’ enabled the LibDems to get more seats in parliament than they’ve had for a long time…people mocked him for it at the time but it worked.

They got him and his party noticed.

Unfortunately he is noticeably absent from the media and rarely hear anything of him or the other Lib Dem MP’s.

I think that’s because the media are obsessed with getting quotes from Farage et al about everything. As if they’re the only voices that matter.

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2TK voted 'no'.
He's definitely running scared.
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Why not? Do you think that any of the alternatives would be any better? If so, do explain why.
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IMO this is simply not realistic, how can anybody possibly "get the measure of" somebody who is as unstable and unpredictable as the Orange One?

I think Starmer has realised this and now calls his bluff as do other European leaders. Trump then partly retracts some of the bilge which has emanated from his mouth.

I do think it would have been terrible timing to precipitate an election for Manchester mayor - a good reason to say no to Andy Burnam. I am aware there are many other issues but this is not negligible.

MayBee70

Lesley60

I have been saying ever since Starmer started braking his promises (as soon as he got in) that Andy Burnham would make a better prime minister.
It’s obvious why he has put a stop to him becoming an MP as he knows he would beat him in any vote, but in doing this he has paved the way for Reform, as I don’t think many people would vote again for Starmer or the Tories.
In my opinion Ed Davey is also missing a trick with the two main parties being so unpopular he doesn’t appear to be pushing his party, his silly stunts aren’t going to win votes

His ‘silly stunts’ enabled the LibDems to get more seats in parliament than they’ve had for a long time…people mocked him for it at the time but it worked.

They got him and his party noticed.

Unfortunately he is noticeably absent from the media and rarely hear anything of him or the other Lib Dem MP’s.

Allira

MayBee70

I really don’t understand why, when the world is in such an unstable state and it’s almost impossible to believe what’s happening in America that there are people in the Labour Party that are desperate for a leadership election. It’s no wonder that Labour are very rarely in power.

I'm inclined to agree.

We need some stability at the present time. Starmer seems to have got the measure of Trump and seems able to deal with him diplomatically but firmly (imo).

IMO this is simply not realistic, how can anybody possibly "get the measure of" somebody who is as unstable and unpredictable as the Orange One?
And the idea of Starmer dealing with anybody "firmly" is just beyond my belief.
I appreciate that not everybody shares my view, but I see him as a weak leader who will not deal firmly with anything or anyone. If left as PM he will meander on through his term, possibly improving things slightly for those who push him hardest, but otherwise unlikely to even manage to maintain the current poor situation for most of us in the country.

Lallylou

Absolutely agree......
Starmer brilliant Barrister but not a good Prime Minister. Think he will lose next election and I feel return to previous job as Human Rights may be he has learnt things or two.rAfter a lifetime of being member of Labour party have left in disgust !

Can I ask which party you have moved to?

Lesley60

I have been saying ever since Starmer started braking his promises (as soon as he got in) that Andy Burnham would make a better prime minister.
It’s obvious why he has put a stop to him becoming an MP as he knows he would beat him in any vote, but in doing this he has paved the way for Reform, as I don’t think many people would vote again for Starmer or the Tories.
In my opinion Ed Davey is also missing a trick with the two main parties being so unpopular he doesn’t appear to be pushing his party, his silly stunts aren’t going to win votes

His ‘silly stunts’ enabled the LibDems to get more seats in parliament than they’ve had for a long time…people mocked him for it at the time but it worked.

Absolutely agree......
Starmer brilliant Barrister but not a good Prime Minister. Think he will lose next election and I feel return to previous job as Human Rights may be he has learnt things or two.rAfter a lifetime of being member of Labour party have left in disgust !

He hasn't been "blocked from re-entering Parliament".

He just won't be a Labour candidate in the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election.

In any by-election, MOST of the candidates LOSE. Nothing to prevent them seeking a seat in another constituency, another time, even for another party.

In the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election, Labour might very well lose the seat. .. with or without Burnham.

IMO Labour needs a new leader, a real leader. Starmer and allies have just shown how afraid they are of any leadership challenge because they know how badly Starmer is doing. They are putting a stop to many local elections in May and are now preventing a popular and very effective politician from joining parliament because they fear a leadership challenge. Another sign of weakness or another opportunity for a U-turn!

Starmer brought in the new rule about Police and Crime Commissioners and Mayors needing permission to run as Parliamentary Candidates, so he could sabotage any move to stand by Burnham. He also stacked the NEC with his cronies to be ready too.
Starmer now has yet another nickname. His full title is now - Two Tier, Free Gear, Never Here, Flip Flop, Cowardly Keir!

I have been saying ever since Starmer started braking his promises (as soon as he got in) that Andy Burnham would make a better prime minister.
It’s obvious why he has put a stop to him becoming an MP as he knows he would beat him in any vote, but in doing this he has paved the way for Reform, as I don’t think many people would vote again for Starmer or the Tories.
In my opinion Ed Davey is also missing a trick with the two main parties being so unpopular he doesn’t appear to be pushing his party, his silly stunts aren’t going to win votes

I swore never again to vote Labour after cutting the fuel allowance for pensioners just after taking office. They live on very little money as it is after the government has robbed the pot so many times. This just confirms that he is in politics for himself. If Andy Burnham is a threat then he should seriously be considered to take leadership. ALL MP's should put the country first!

It's Labour Party rules which Burnham must have signed up to. If the Party now engage in a 'civil war' they are being foolish.

MaizieD

^I do not see Burnham as a threat to Starmer - he does not have the statesman qualities currently needed in this precarious international situation.^

How can you possibly know that?

Did we know that Starmer had such qualities before he became PM?

I believe that Starmer had, for a long time prior to the election, been working at repairing our relationship with Europe so imo he was someone that would be able to represent us well on the world stage. And his experience dealing with issues in Ireland helped. He seems to have a good relationship with most world leaders and, as has been pointed out, even by people that don’t particularly like him, he (and the King, who he also works well with) is dealing with Trump well. And at this moment in time that overrides everything else. Who would have ever foreseen a time when America would have been such a threat to our country. If ever we needed a stable government it is now. Maybe, as with Brexit, there are other forces trying to destabilise our government and the controversy over Burnham is just playing into their hands.

As a LP party member I didn't vote for Starmer as leader. I did vote for Andy Burnham but he lost to Ed Milliband,

I am a bit of a fence sitter with Starmer but this whole business disappoints me.

In some ways I wish Burnham hadn't put himself forward, but I fear Labour has shot itself in the foot yet again with not allowing the process to pan out.

I think we did. Or I did ...

I do not see Burnham as a threat to Starmer - he does not have the statesman qualities currently needed in this precarious international situation.

How can you possibly know that?

Did we know that Starmer had such qualities before he became PM?

It is normal practice for a decision to be made as to who can or cannot stand as an MP. Where someone is already in a public office that would require vast cost to elect someone else it makes sense to opt for a different candidate.

I do not see Burnham as a threat to Starmer - he does not have the statesman qualities currently needed in this precarious international situation.

Country, not Party, Party not Person!!

Put your fears aside Mr Starmer, AB could have and will be a great asset as an MP