Mark Carney's speech at Davos

If you haven't listened to the speech then I feel that you need to be very cautious of what you read about it because what I have read so far on here in terms of criticism seems way off beam to me.

MaizieD

There's a full transcript of Carney's speech here:

www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-carney-speech-davos-rules-based-order-9.7053350

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Whitewavemark2

gg13 you need to listen to the entire speech, in the context of his record as the Canadian prime minister to date.

galaxy’s dismissal is disappointing, given the mediocrity we are faced with in our leaders.

At the very least Carney is pointing to a way out of the mire in which we find ourselves.

This is only the beginning of the dialogue, but at least he has started it. He not only looked at the way the current economic system of globalisation is seemingly failing, but he also looked at geopolitics and the myriad other relationships each country builds with other countries.

It is a dialogue that needs building on.

I have heard clips where he acknowledges that the world could be seeing the decline of Globalisation.

Rather brave to say that at the WEF, the birthplace and home of Globalisation and big money.

There's a full transcript of Carney's speech here:

www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-carney-speech-davos-rules-based-order-9.7053350

Maremia

May I ask a genuine question?
Populist politicians such as Victor Orban, Marine Le Pen, Trump and Farage promote racism.
Do you believe that the same is true of Carney?
Am I conflating different concepts?

If that is a question being asked of galaxy I think that is not what she meant, but her cryptic posts do lead to confusion at times.

gg13 you need to listen to the entire speech, in the context of his record as the Canadian prime minister to date.

galaxy’s dismissal is disappointing, given the mediocrity we are faced with in our leaders.

At the very least Carney is pointing to a way out of the mire in which we find ourselves.

This is only the beginning of the dialogue, but at least he has started it. He not only looked at the way the current economic system of globalisation is seemingly failing, but he also looked at geopolitics and the myriad other relationships each country builds with other countries.

It is a dialogue that needs building on.

May I ask a genuine question?
Populist politicians such as Victor Orban, Marine Le Pen, Trump and Farage promote racism.
Do you believe that the same is true of Carney?
Am I conflating different concepts?

Carney is certainly an improvement on Trudeau. I have to admit listening to the rambling self aggrandising speeches of Trump, man's got the hide of a feckin' rhino and boy does he go on. I almost felt sorry for the enforced audience. It reminded me of a story I read, possibly apocryphal, Ken Dodd allegedly locked his audiences in So as bad as that!

I didn’t hear Mr Carney’s entire speech, but I imagine he has the ability to read the room and tell the audience what they want to hear.

Only at the end of his tenure of office will the Canadians and the rest of us know how good he has been in his position.

This of course applies to all leaders, they are either remembered for the enormous cock-ups as opposed to quiet diplomacy and avoiding the inevitable pitfalls of office.

What matters is what the Canadians think of Carney, and how he represents their interests both domestically and on the world stage. That’s what matters for every country. How re you judging there is not much of substance with him Galaxy, where has he not delivered so far in your opinion?

So the progressives of which Carney is part embraced many slogans that weren't true, it seems to be quite hypocritical to then use the story of the shopkeeper placing lies in his window that no one really believed.
I think Carney looks good next to Trump but personally I don't think there is much of substance there. A bit similar to Sturgeon versus Johnson, hopefully it won't end as badly as Sturgeon but who knows.
I remember lots of descriptions of Sturgeon being the adult in the room.
I agree with standing up to Trump though, it works much better than flattery.

Galaxy

And the society mustn't say things it knows aren't true, do these people have no shame.
Sorry whitewave but I do wonder if when there is someone like Trump that people are easily swayed by politeness and what seems like order. I think the same happened with Johnson and Sturgeon, it was easy to believe her because she wasn't Johnson.

I understand exactly what you mean, and tend to agree with you.

POTUS enjoys being the so called Lord of misrule he is in raptures that everyone is nervous of him and trying to predict his actions.

I think he lives on publicity.

Galaxy

And the society mustn't say things it knows aren't true, do these people have no shame.
Sorry whitewave but I do wonder if when there is someone like Trump that people are easily swayed by politeness and what seems like order. I think the same happened with Johnson and Sturgeon, it was easy to believe her because she wasn't Johnson.

I certainly think that some leaders are knowingly provocative and aim to disrupt to achieve their aims. Johnson was, generally, Trump is not that bright in my opinion, because he isn’t able to predict the consequences of his own actions.

I think very few people are swayed by politeness alone though. People want solid and reliable leaders, not mavericks, who have their interests at heart - wherever they sit on the political spectrum.

galaxy your cryptic posts do make for confusion at times.

And the society mustn't say things it knows aren't true, do these people have no shame.
Sorry whitewave but I do wonder if when there is someone like Trump that people are easily swayed by politeness and what seems like order. I think the same happened with Johnson and Sturgeon, it was easy to believe her because she wasn't Johnson.

I hadn't heard of Paul Embrey but I've Googled him and managed to see the opening response on X even though I'm not on that platform. Yes I agree with you Galaxy and him. How the tide has turned to not embrace Globalisation a while back one was akin to a neanderthal.

Yes, I’m still going around with stars in my eyes.

galaxy I don’t remember people’s admiration of Carney - anti-brexiter etc- as being populist.

Quite the opposite. Carney is not about divide and rule, but United we are strong.

Look at the way he has handled Canada and Trump.

As I said on the other thread, this is what some people have been saying for years but were dismissed as populists, etc. Paul Embreys response to Carneys speech is interesting I think.