Robert Jenrick has been sacked

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Rosindell. A man with cruel, archaic views. The only surprise is that he hasn’t defected before now.

He was absent from Parliament for two years from 2022 to 2024 under investigation for alleged sexual offences.

Also know for expense fiddling and filibustering with Chope.

An unpleasant man who has found his tribe.

Sounds about right …..

Allira

Alistair Campbell?
Why do people trust him?

That's a good question. Is it trust though, or a recognition that he does have knowledge that may be worth listening too. It doesn't mean you have to "believe" what he says but if you don’t listen to and consider both sides, how can you be sure you’re right, rather than just being drawn in by the superficial appeal of one view?

Well, from listening to The Rest is Politics and their Leading interviews I think he speaks a great deal of common sense and I certainly trust him. I wonder how many people that don’t trust Campbell trust Farage?

He would be better joining the Labour Party - they are plagued with lies and dissembling. He would fit on .

Jenrick or Campbell?

I certainly wouldn't trust Campbell, his reputation was well known in the Blair years, his behaviour towards people he disagrees with often causes me concern.

And still the dead cats are flying.

Nope I always highlight those I consider aggressive men.

Sorry Primrose, just can't agree that Starner is the worst PM ever. That accolade goes to Liz Truss, closely followed by Johnson.
Don't care if the PM is dull and boring.
Trump is neither. Would hate him to be our PM.

Methinks that the latest Reform recruit was always destined to be a member of the party ( or is it still a limited company?). From Wikipedia
“Rosindell is well known for his interest in flags, being described by The Times in 2011 as a "flag fanatic".[59] He is a member of the Flag Institute, an educational organisation that offers advice and guidance about flags and their usage.

On 5 February 2008, Rosindell became founding chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Flag Group (APPFG),[60][61] and proposed a Union Flag Bill[62] under the Ten Minute Rule. The APPFG changed its name to the Flags & Heraldry Committee in April 2010.

In April 2021 Rosindell joined other Conservative Party members in calling for the Union Flag to be flown outside UK schools“

Are we now saying people with an interest in flags are bad?

Did I mention “bad”? I was thinking to myself “fanatical” though. Mind you he has been under investigation for other things but escaped prosecution.

Starmer is solid hard working and not particularly self centred from what I have seen ! He has made mistakes , don’t we all ? I would have boring any day after the shower of Truss , Johnson, Cameron, May who allowed our country to be brought to its knees by austerity, Brexit , Covid chaos ( should have had a coalition gov then) ! Yes! Dull and boring but solid will do for now!
So another Tory defects! Reform is full of Tory has beens who require very careful scrutiny of their morals !
Nanna8 get off your anti Starmer high horse as you haven’t really any idea of our politics here! Look at your own back yard for homelessness, high rents, people living in cars, ( yes I saw it last year in the Perth suburbs ) flooding, wildfires, plus selling your resources to China !

Rats leaving a sinking ship? No, rats helping to sink a ship that's already full of holes. I've yet to see one Conservative or Labour MP with a reputation for honesty and integrity jump ship to sail with Farage.

Susieq62 - 🤙

as for rats and sinking ships, Reform continues to attract people with reputations for lies and lack of integrity

Susieq62

Starmer is solid hard working and not particularly self centred from what I have seen ! He has made mistakes , don’t we all ? I would have boring any day after the shower of Truss , Johnson, Cameron, May who allowed our country to be brought to its knees by austerity, Brexit , Covid chaos ( should have had a coalition gov then) ! Yes! Dull and boring but solid will do for now!
So another Tory defects! Reform is full of Tory has beens who require very careful scrutiny of their morals !
Nanna8 get off your anti Starmer high horse as you haven’t really any idea of our politics here! Look at your own back yard for homelessness, high rents, people living in cars, ( yes I saw it last year in the Perth suburbs ) flooding, wildfires, plus selling your resources to China !

Starmer is solid hard working and not particularly self centred from what I have seen ! He has made mistakes , don’t we all ? I would have boring any day after the shower of Truss , Johnson, Cameron, May who allowed our country to be brought to its knees by austerity, Brexit , Covid chaos ( should have had a coalition gov then) ! Yes! Dull and boring but solid will do for now!

Thoughtful comment, Susieq62

Among political scientists, journalists, and comparative politics scholars, Starmer’s Labour is typically described as:

Centre-left economically
Socially liberal but institutionally conservative
Strongly anti-populist and pro-establishment

On the political horseshoe, that puts them:

Nowhere near the left extreme
Closer to the centre than to the traditional social-democratic left of the 1970s–90s
Very far from the authoritarian convergence zone where the horseshoe “bends”

I’m open to disagreement, but it helps if people explain their reasoning rather than just stating that they disagree.

Dull and boring but solid will do for now!

After all the shenanigans I think we needed solid and I thought steady was what we needed at the time of the election.

The U turns have been rather disappointing though, but I suppose it means they are listening. Perhaps Reeves will be his
Achilles heel.

It gets weirder and weirder.
news.sky.com/story/robert-jenrick-told-kemi-badenoch-to-kick-liz-truss-out-of-the-conservatives-13496078

Marg75

Did anyone on here actually listen to Robert Jenrick's speech this evening? Can you actually say that what he described about this country today was untrue?

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Primrose53

Nobody defecting to Labour then? 🤣🤣🤣

Precisely.

Menopausalbitch but he contributed totally to what he describes so needs to accept some blame!!
My local area is full of vigour, lovely people , potholes, multicultural communities and rubbish weather but it certainly is not broken !!

Did anyone on here actually listen to Robert Jenrick's speech this evening? Can you actually say that what he described about this country today was untrue? Marg75

No, we can’t say what he described was untrue. But we can say it was selective, exaggerated in tone, and designed to persuade rather than to fully explain.

Allira The U turns have been rather disappointing though, but I suppose it means they are listening. Perhaps Reeves will be his Achilles heel

They wouldnt need to "listen" if they thought strategically re all aspects of the policies they are announcing including all aspects of consequences BEFORE making their announcements ....too much initial approaching of a policy as a money saving strategy without considering the impact in practice. They then have to U turn because of the potential consequences once identified

I'm disappointed in the u- turns, too, but am slightly heartened by the thought that people recognising they have made a mistake attempt to put it right.
Mrs Thatcher, of course, was famous for " the lady's not for turning", which indicated that she had absolute belief in her every decision being right, which I would say was arrogance.
Controversially, I would nominate Margaret Thatcher as one of the worst Prime Ministers of modern times, due to her selling off water, utilities etc al, enriching her then government, and leaving consumers today stuck with activities such as water companies unable to deliver water to homes, but able to pay their shareholders dividends.
I know that this will put the cat amongst the proverbial pigeons, as there are many who revere her, to this day
I do not understand the antipathy to Mr Starmer: he seems a safe, slightly dull person.
After the drama of Ms Truss and Mr Johnson, I quite welcome how he has handled some very unexpected developments internationally.

I have read most of Jenrick's speech and I have, in all honesty, to say that he has got some of it right, though I gave up when he launched into his long and mendacious diatribe about immigration.

Like Chocolatelovinggran I put the blame squarely on the tories, starting with Thatcher, who, by her hatred of the unions and of state provision of utilities and her embrace of what is known as 'neoliberal' economic policies (following Reagan in the US) she managed to largely destroy our heavy industries without putting anything in their place and privatise as much as she possibly dared of state provided utilities and services. Her destruction of 'the state' was carried on by her successors and the neoliberal economic strategies have become the 'orthodoxy' which can barely be shaken today and which has contributed to the ever increasing concentration of wealth in the hands of a few and the ever widening gap in inequality. Not to mention Osborne's 'austerity' strategy which intensified the damage she had already done and has left us in the position we are in now with public services over whelmed and inadequate. And, of course, led to the Brexit disaster.

Her major iniquity was to instil the belief that a country's budget should be run like a household budget; a belief which has gripped governments, both Labour and tory, ever since and lies at the heart of our problems.

Regrettably, Labour cannot shake off this belief and if anyone is looking to Reform to improve the economy, and so their wellbeing, is sadly mistaken.