Snooping government new policy to monitor your messages.

Thank you, but that has already been posted, and as I said, I was aware of a story about a woman getting a FPN for ignoring instructions to stop littering. I am interested in 'people being lifted off the streets', which is a very different matter.

Doodledog

Can you link to a credible source for the allegation that people are being 'lifted off the streets' for feeding pigeons, please?

There were arrests for lies and incitement to violence on SM during riots, but 'lifting people off the streets' is a new one on my, particularly for feeding pigeons😳. I'd be very interested to see where this has been reported.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/woman-pigeons-arrest-met-police-harrow-b2898065.html
Easily found, but I've done it for you.

Yes, I think CCTV in city centres is generally a good thing. I wouldn't like to see facial recognition brought in (for the same reasons as I don't like surveillance of everyone as opposed to targeting suspected criminals) but CCTV must be invaluable when it comes to detective work.

Sueinkent doesn't seem to want to engage in a discussion she started.

I do too.

I do too.

David49

All this surveillance is supposed to make us feel safer, do we feel safer, is crime reducing, is shoplifting reducing, NO.
Criminals are just getting smarter and more aggressive

I do feel safer knowing our city is covered by cctv.

All this surveillance is supposed to make us feel safer, do we feel safer, is crime reducing, is shoplifting reducing, NO.
Criminals are just getting smarter and more aggressive

nanna8

The British government is just as bad with all their CCTV and jailing people for social media comments. Pot kettle black.

As I understand it - and this has been a much touted fact for some time - the UK has more CCTV per capita than any other country.

You go out the front and there's the neighbour's ring doorbell logging your movements, cameras used by security firms and police watching you along the street, supermarkets are overloaded with surveillance (including the craziness of security tags on joints of beef).

Go to a bus stop there are cameras watching you from a lamp post, on the bus you are being watched from every angle.....

1984 has been with us for quite some time. And I imagine the claim that we're photographed, on average, approx 300 times just making a simple shopping trip is fairly accurate.

But our politicians are probably making sure that they are protected from all this horrendous surveillance.

What a world.

Oreo

That’s ok, my messages are harmless.
If it catches criminals, deviants or wannabe terrorists that’s fine with me.

This. Not sure why anyone would be bothered, tbh.

What are you not sure about Cossy?

I’m not entirely sure what this actually means 😂😂

What I mean is WhatsApp is all private messaging? How can it end?

I’m not sure if I’m overly “bovvered” by this Big Brother process or not?

If one child is saved from
Grooming or niave person stopped from sending cash to scammers, or potential terrorists picked up or more security intel gained, these all seem positive.

The trouble is that whilst that is true today, LemonJam, it might not be tomorrow, and if the systems are in place and people are compliant about it, we could be looking at a different picture.

I have no immediate concerns about ID cards, and buy 99% of my shopping electrically - I even use my phone to pay for coffee in a cafe - but I can see that setting things up so that everything we do, say or buy can be scrutinised could be problematic with a change of government, and by then it would be too late to object.

If texts can be read after an application based on reasonable supposition of criminal activity, that's one thing, but I'm not keen on everyone's messages, bank accounts etc being open to scrutiny. It makes me nervous, even though I have nothing to hide.

CariadAgain, None has to prove who they are when they buy things (unless restrictions in place for purchase like guns, underage alcohol, flight tickets in and out of countries etc) just that you have the means to pay.

The reality in the modern society however is that most people buy and pay for things electronically. Police, security services etc can and already do track individuals' movements when investigating crimes or keeping the public safe- e.g. by bank transactions/ location of purchase/CCTV cameras/purchase of flight tickets.

Wyllow3

That's fine I couldn't find any in the search space, yes a return would help.

SueinKent posted on Xmas day last year.
There are other posts from her.

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Oreo

That’s ok, my messages are harmless.
If it catches criminals, deviants or wannabe terrorists that’s fine with me.

I agree, and I also agree with the idea of people carrying ID cards. If you're not a criminal there is no problem with either of these.

Unless and until you have to prove who you are before you are allowed to buy anything. Cue for the government knowing exactly when and where you are at the time if they choose to do so.

Allira- 👍. still not sure what on earth it has to do with online safety Act- hearsay, irrelevant and deflection.

LemonJam

paddyann54 16.53 “Old frill” 50 police officers resigned from POLICE SCOTLAND over the arrests of people supporting I heard this from a friend in the police".

BBC News headline 14 February 2023: 'Nearly 50 police officers leave the force during complaints cases". The article goes on to state 47 police officers in Scotland resigned or retired during misconduct proceedings against them since 2019.

Perhaps this is what the 'friend in the police' was referring to. Again has nothing to do with the Online Safet Act.

Yes, as in my post above, it was even reported in Scotland in The National, which no-one could say is an anti-Scottish rag.

Wyllow3

That's fine I couldn't find any in the search space, yes a return would help.

Better to use Google Willow. Just put in "Gransnet" and "the name". Sometimes it helps to put in a year if it's relevant.

paddyann54 16.53 “Old frill” 50 police officers resigned from POLICE SCOTLAND over the arrests of people supporting I heard this from a friend in the police".

BBC News headline 14 February 2023: 'Nearly 50 police officers leave the force during complaints cases". The article goes on to state 47 police officers in Scotland resigned or retired during misconduct proceedings against them since 2019.

Perhaps this is what the 'friend in the police' was referring to. Again has nothing to do with the Online Safet Act.

AGAA4

I did see that story at the time. The woman had been asked several times to stop feeding the pigeons as it was becoming a health hazard. People who used that area had complained about the mess.

It’s called anti social behavior, do it often enough you will get arrested

Is anyone saying that is not justified.?

Petra 16.47- what on earth has feeding pigeons got to do with the Online Safety Act?

According to the Independent newspaper today on Wednesday 7 January this woman was in breach of the Public Spaces Protection Order (becoming increasingly common in London apparently- feeding pigeons can cause many problems) so was issued with a £100 fixed penalty fine- otherwise face prosecution. Police said the woman was arrested after she "repeatedly refused to provide her personal details", when asked by offices which is an offence.

Once she finally did give her details she was de arrested and the matter was passed over to council officers.

Damage has been done to Jewish property in the UK and Jewish people go in fear of attack and are changing their lives because of the danger of attack.
And deaths have occurred.

Perhaps all these attacks are not reported in Scotland.

paddyann54

So …if any of us don’t agree with Trump or Netanyahu will we end up in jail?
Think about it,police are lifting pensioners off the streets for supporting Palestine!
Thankfully some Scottish police have resigned because of this absurdity.Its an English law and should not have been forced on them.
Let’s hope that common sense prevails ,supporting Palestine is NOT antisemitism
Not according to the Jewish community here who march with us.
Big brother is stay out of contro….this is a step too far .

I have yet to see or read any pro-Palestinian protests that were just anti-israeli and not anti-Semitic. I have certainly not seen any of those leading this movement make the difference clear.

Damage has been done to Jewish property in the UK and Jewish people go in fear of attack and are changing their lives because of the danger of attack.

Please could you tell me next time an anti Israeli, completely non anti-Semitic rally takes place. It will be quite a novelty.

Oreo

That’s ok, my messages are harmless.
If it catches criminals, deviants or wannabe terrorists that’s fine with me.

I agree, and I also agree with the idea of people carrying ID cards. If you're not a criminal there is no problem with either of these.