Venezuela air attack

This has just been another ploy by Trump to get what he wants which is the oil and minerals.
He cares nothing for the Venezuelan people and has left them to the militia and gangs so they are no better off than before.

Shocking, ronib. We are talking about Trump. How better off are the citizens of Venezuela? This oil that Trump has 'saved', who will benefit?
Drugs? You think this is about drugs? That's the 'decoy' issue.
Didn't Trump just pardon a serious drug lord?
So, I will stick with 'shocking'.

So, listening to TRIPUSA.

Scaramucci is of the opinion, that this attack has been cooperated with Russia, that the Venezuelan military knew of the proposed attack, and also that the VP Rodriguez knew of the proposed attack!

Trump is also sending a message to China - stay out of my sphere of influence.

I will try to make further sense of that , as it is clear as mud to me atm.

Thanks for the info petra.

So, possibly Facebook was correct, that the Russians knew about it.

Balance of power WhiteWave. Confirms what some of us feel, that Trump is a Russian ally.

Listening to the radio this morning, anyone who has any connections with Venezuela and Cuba are ringing in praising Trump to the hilt, as a saviour
However my opinion hasn’t changed, he’s a danger to the world, he’s off his rocker, he wants Greenland now, is there no depths to this man depravity?

Better or worse than a Chinese ally?

In relation to concerns about the physical safety of Ukraine and Europe, what do you think?

petra

Maremia

Who 'holds' that debt?

Japan is the top foreign holder of US dept.

Japan is the top foreign holder of U.S. debt, consistently holding over $1 trillion in Treasury securities, followed by the United Kingdom and then Mainland China, though China's holdings have decreased, with data from late 2024/early 2025 showing Japan at over $1.1 trillion, the UK at around $720 billion, and China at roughly $759 billion

Ironic for Japan and the Uk, given the level of debt we are both in.

Whitewavemark2

So, listening to TRIPUSA.

Scaramucci is of the opinion, that this attack has been cooperated with Russia, that the Venezuelan military knew of the proposed attack, and also that the VP Rodriguez knew of the proposed attack!

Trump is also sending a message to China - stay out of my sphere of influence.

I will try to make further sense of that , as it is clear as mud to me atm.

Wouldnt surprise me.

3rd time I have read/heard of things being not quite as first appeared.

Is Starmer nowhere on the issue. Sitting on a fence?

Maremia

Balance of power WhiteWave. Confirms what some of us feel, that Trump is a Russian ally.

Yes I do get that, and thinking about it, I suspect that Putin, who has/had strong relationships with Venezuela both trading and military will be almost certainly ceded this to Trump.

fancythat

Is Starmer nowhere on the issue. Sitting on a fence?

Given that Britain has no power to make the main players in this issue take any notice of our opinion (not in a positive way, anyway), the best thing Starmer can do for now is say as little as possible.
We literally cannot afford to antagonize them, so if that is deemed as "sitting on a fence", then seems a good idea to me, for the time being at least.

Keeping your powder dry.

I am surprised that a lot of people who may be left wing voters, dont seem that bothered by Trump[of all people, someone who can do no right just about always] literally physically removing a Leader out of the Country.

Baffles me.

If Putin were to remove Zelensky, the world would go into meltdown.

Trump removes Venezuela Leader.
Do nothing.

fancythat

If Putin were to remove Zelensky, the world would go into meltdown.

Trump removes Venezuela Leader.
Do nothing.

Why sort of removal are you talking about?

Exact same sort as Trump did

I think Putin is far too wily an operator to do that. I thought you meant if he killed Zelensky, in which case there would be war. If Zelensky were captured I think there would be the same approach as with Venezuela, to avoid war if at all possible, at least initially.

tbh I'm totally confused by your post Fancythat can you be a bit more explicit, please.

fancythat

Is Starmer nowhere on the issue. Sitting on a fence?

Waiting to be told what to say by his advisors? Not a Starmer fan but diplomacy matters in a case like this.

fancythat Mon 05-Jan-26 11:58:50-
"I am surprised that a lot of people who may be left wing voters, dont seem that bothered by Trump[of all people, someone who can do no right just about always] literally physically removing a Leader out of the Country. Baffles me".

Left, centre of right wing, it is baffling. Whitewavemark2 has started a post "now we are beginning to understand why the international rule of law is so important" which crosses over?

Unless the Trump adminstration hugely bungles the case of Maduro's indictment- there will probably be a conviction and prison sentence. Many, many Venezuelans may be pleased about that.

However to illegally abduct a leader from another country that has engaged in no hostilities against the US, without even the appearance of an effort to enlist the support of the American public or their elected representatives in Congress, and without even the semblance of a stated plan how Venezuela will now be governed - is surreal.

It represents a new moment in US presidential power and the Law.

I don’t think America is going to be stopped by any words from Europe or the Uk. Oreo

Oreo

fancythat

Is Starmer nowhere on the issue. Sitting on a fence?

Waiting to be told what to say by his advisors? Not a Starmer fan but diplomacy matters in a case like this.

But 3 days of sitting on a fence?

If this were proper war, things move on far quicker than that.