The man formerly known as Prince can fall no further....

A historical and momentous occasion when the King knelt in prayer with the Pope; overshadowed.

A historical and momentous occasion when the King unveiled the long awaited memorial to the service men and women bullied, hounded out of their chosen military careers and in some cases imprisoned for being gay; overshadowed.

I hope that what must have been a very difficult decision made by the King draws a line under this now. The trial be media has been completed. Andrew has been convicted and sentenced.

Maybe for some, the public severing of his head would have been preferred but thankfully we don't do that anymore.

Mollygo

Anniebach

Some are angry because he is still a member of the royal family,their surname!

And others would be angry if he’d changed his name.

Unless someone decides to assassinate him, that is one thing that cannot be changed.

Anniebach

Some are angry because he is still a member of the royal family,their surname!

And others would be angry if he’d changed his name.

Jabberwok yes, I have thought many times that Andrew is the fall guy whilst other prominent figures have got off…

Andrew wasn't the only person associated with Epstein, wasn't the only person who attended these partys! Can we now look forward to other prominent people being hounded and perhaps prosecuted for their supposed misdemeanors, or will 'they' continue to be protected while allowing Andrew to take the full rap for the whole unsavoury business. Scapegoat comes to mind

Some are angry because he is still a member of the royal family,their surname!

mum2three

That is Prince Andrew dealt with. Will the government now do the decent thing and get the 'Grooming gangs' business sorted? You can't condemn one and not the other.

You are correct, both need “cracking”, but need much different approaches and are different ballgames.

Now Andrew gone let’s check out the behaviour of the rest !

There’s a bigger tale to be told Char.i himself was friends of sex abusers ,convenientlySavile died without charges being brought and the “bishop” was sent to one of Charlie’s properties ( safe house).
Royalty has been rotten to the core for a long time and many abused people got no justice Mountbatten their uncle and mentor was abusing boys from a children’s home in NI up to his murder.
Of course it was seen as just something he did when he had boys brought to him when he was in India.
These parasites have got away with too much for too long

I agree I think they must be aware of more to come.

I am puzzled by it all. The man is an arrogant and unpleasant man, and his dealings with Epstein, show him to be a parasite and sycophant, but there are plenty of men like him in public life who sail through life like teflon men - Peter Mandelson, for example.

I am left wondering whether the King and the Prince of Wales are aware of other scandals that we have yet to hear of, or information in the Epstein papers, yet to be published, that show a much deeper and long lasting relationship with Epstein than has so far been revealed.

the difference between Andrew and Mandelson is that Mandelson is a very clever and charming man and knows how to slide out from under his misdemeanours and disappear into the undergrowth, while quietly making money on the side, while Andrew is not the sharpest knife in the box - and that is an accident of life for which he cannot be blamed - but he is also a very stupid man, he refuses to learn from his mistakes and he is an arrogant and unlikeable boor.

But still, I wait for the revelations yet to come.

Desdemona

I wonder if the Royals will find excuses to change their venue for Christmas this year?

No need to, Sandringham Estate is over 200 acres.

Andrew will not be in the main house, and I doubt he will be welcomed for the family walk to church Christmas morning,

Off piste, we have visited Sandringham many times, one of my favourite royal residences, especially the church which is small but stunning inside, very calming.

eazybee

What has Andrew done wrong?
He is a boor, arrogant, entitled and lacking in judgement, an unsuccessful business man trading on his royal connections, but he has always vigorously denied the allegations made by Guiffre, and she is the only person ever to accuse him; accusations of paedophilia are unfounded .
His association with Epstein, a monster of gothic proportions, has been his undoing and his refusal to leave Royal Lodge, to which he has contributed nearly eight million, has brought the royal family into disrepute, and provoked the Great British Public into one of its periodic fits of morality, and it has brought him down.
Hubris.

There are many unanswered questions that will remain so. The original, notorious photo, was 'lost' and can never be examined forensically for authenticity. Mr Windsor did not appear in court; what might have come out in evidence will likely now remain a mystery. The photo on the front of The Times this morning did not look like a man who is arrogant and entitled, rather more of a person ruined.

Still lead on BBCNews

I wonder if the Royals will find excuses to change their venue for Christmas this year?

Great post eazybee.

I am waiting for the 40 prostitutes Andrew got through in 4 days in Thailand to put in a claim….

What has Andrew done wrong?
He is a boor, arrogant, entitled and lacking in judgement, an unsuccessful business man trading on his royal connections, but he has always vigorously denied the allegations made by Guiffre, and she is the only person ever to accuse him; accusations of paedophilia are unfounded .
His association with Epstein, a monster of gothic proportions, has been his undoing and his refusal to leave Royal Lodge, to which he has contributed nearly eight million, has brought the royal family into disrepute, and provoked the Great British Public into one of its periodic fits of morality, and it has brought him down.
Hubris.

Andrew still has extensive business dealings overseas to keep him busy? I imagine.

I wonder if he will have staff to look after him in his new home. What will he do all day ? Will Sarah move to that area too or will she want to live near her girls ? Many questions a thorough awful mess.

Agree GrannyGravy I do question can anyone be a very unpleasant person their childhood, adulthood in every aspect of life

A person of standing would be needed to instigate further legal proceedings against Andrew. Virginia Giuffre is no longer here so I don’t understand what all the fuss is about. I don’t think there’s any person now who could act in this capacity to ensure a conviction against Andrew.

Still awaiting Mandelsons fall too.

Cossy

GrannyGravy13

It’s time to either charge Andrew and let him have his day in court or just leave him alone.

He will be living in a cottage on the Sandringham Estate, he has been stripped of all he has known during his life.

None of us know his mental health, I hope he doesn’t do anything stupid like taking his own life.

I’ll be honest, and I may be very wrong, he appears to be far too arrogant to “kill himself”

He still does not appear to think he’s done anything wrong and it’s very hard to charge Royals in our country, so it seems!

I agree he comes across as extremely arrogant. Royals should not be above the law. I thought the late Prince Philip was charged with a motoring offence.

The allegations against him and VG are horrendous and extremely seedy

He should have known better, his judgement seems lacking when it comes to his choice of friends (as does Sarah Fergusson’s)

I am not defending him, I am just uncomfortable with trial by media

GrannyGravy13

It’s time to either charge Andrew and let him have his day in court or just leave him alone.

He will be living in a cottage on the Sandringham Estate, he has been stripped of all he has known during his life.

None of us know his mental health, I hope he doesn’t do anything stupid like taking his own life.

I’ll be honest, and I may be very wrong, he appears to be far too arrogant to “kill himself”

He still does not appear to think he’s done anything wrong and it’s very hard to charge Royals in our country, so it seems!

nanna8

You know what ? I don’t care about his mental health. After what he has done.

Andrew should have his day in court, whether here or the USA.

All we have at the moment are allegations.

If he is guilty, then let him be charged and dealt with according to the law.

I am increasingly uncomfortable with the trend of trial by media the law of states that everyone is innocent until found guilty.