Taking tylenol during pregnancy is ‘not good’.says Trump…

The researchers analyzed results from 46 previous studies worldwide that investigated the potential link between prenatal acetaminophen use and subsequent NDDs in children. The researchers used the Navigation Guide Systematic Review methodology—a gold-standard framework for synthesizing and evaluating environmental health data—which enabled them to conduct a rigorous, comprehensive analysis that supported evidence of an association between acetaminophen exposure during pregnancy and increased incidence of NDDs.

The researchers noted that while steps should be taken to limit acetaminophen use, the drug is important for treating pain and fever during pregnancy, which can also harm the developing fetus. “We recommend judicious acetaminophen use—lowest effective dose, shortest duration—under medical guidance, tailored to individual risk-benefit assessments, rather than a broad limitation,” they wrote.

It is already known that Paracetamol can cause liver damage and occasionally kidney damage also, so, as with any drug, caution is necessary.

I think if you read the actual paper and the info regarding corrections by the reviewers you can see that they writers originally had exaggerated the "link".

I'm not saying that there is no link, just that it's only an association.
If you have a fever and are particularly sick in some way, you are more likely to take paracetamol.
It's not the paracetamol that caused the fever...

Or as I heard a doctor on the radio say, there is an association between ice cream and drowning.


I was another in the "don't take anything that might possibly (even remotely) cause harm" during my pregnancies camp... but if I had been fitting/having a stroke or in a car crash etc I like to think that common sense would have prevailed.

LizzieDrip

karmalady

This is paracetamol and should not be taken in pregnancy, evidence is emerging of causation of autism

What evidence of causation is ‘emerging’ please?

As I’m sure you know, correlation is not causation.

There is no reliable evidence that paracetamol causes autism.
As many posters have pointed out, pregnant women are usually reluctant to take anything even if ill.

Trump and JFK dangerous idiots. There is no doubt a link between increasing knowledge and increased diagnosis. More children with significant physical or other disabilities are surviving, some with autism amongst complex diagnosis

Petra up thread mentions the possibility of the contribution fathers make to the development of autism in their children. We know of a strong genetic link. Petra questions the impact of abuse of street drugs. We certainly have large numbers of parents dependent on drink and drugs. I assume research is ongoing

LizzieDrip

karmalady

This is paracetamol and should not be taken in pregnancy, evidence is emerging of causation of autism

What evidence of causation is ‘emerging’ please?

As I’m sure you know, correlation is not causation.

The report Allira posted makes it absolutely clear that there is no evidence of causation.

karmalady

This is paracetamol and should not be taken in pregnancy, evidence is emerging of causation of autism

What evidence of causation is ‘emerging’ please?

As I’m sure you know, correlation is not causation.

Thanks NotSpaghetti.

I read the report posted by Allira and, was just about to quote the same statement from the report’s conclusion that you’ve posted.

I suspect doctors and obstetricians take more notice of a comprehensive study with 2.4 million cases, such as the Swedish study though. Rightly so.

Trump and Kennedy junior have held a press conference to reinforce their claims against paracetamol.

Two more unhealthy individuals you have never seen in your life. Mister President is orange, often an indicator of cirrhosis and Kennedy is a peculiar shade of light mahogany. And as wizzened as a dried up tangerine.

NotSpaghetti

Did anyone read Allira's link and move on to the actual paper?
Did you read the corrections/alterations prior to publication of the paper? Did you notice this is an association
Did you read the end of the paper:

While this association warrants caution, untreated maternal fever and pain pose risks such as neural tube defects and preterm birth, necessitating a balanced approach. We recommend judicious acetaminophen use—lowest effective dose, shortest duration—under medical guidance, tailored to individual risk–benefit assessments, rather than a broad limitation.

Surely this is the point with any drug taken at any time - but especially during pregnancy!

Thanks, NotSpaghetti.

As with any drug, caution is needed.
Paracetamol has its contra-indications, as with any drug.

It was not up to Trump to announce this and panic people.
However, doctors, particularly obstetricians , must be aware.

karmalady

This is paracetamol and should not be taken in pregnancy, evidence is emerging of causation of autism

I posted a link to Harvard research, karmalady which says that there is a link.
Second post on the thread.

I said, too, that Trump was irresponsible to announce this.

This proves that posters DNRTFT.

He's made so many guaranteed promises of amazing achievements, the biggest and best in world history; and right now even his dimmest fans are beginning to suspect.. He did not stop the Ukraine war in his first two weeks. "His friend" Putin didn't do as he's told. Gas does not cost $2, Americans are not getting rich from tariffs.

Time for a side step; redirect the blame.

Hey, YOU all got it wrong; every single one of you who has taken Tylenol. You ALL, especially women gave our wonderful beautiful babies Autism and ADHD. You pump poison vaccines into them because doctors told you to.

Doctors don't know shit. Science is fake news. Don't listen to the News , it's all fake AI, 97% of the reports about me are fake. I can cure Autism, it's going to be the biggest most best miracle in the history of the world,................................

Anyone who believes a word this man says should watch the C4 programme “Trump v The Truth”. Please!

And this from the man who advocated taking horse medication or injecting bleach to cure covid 19.

Expect a mass cliff jump sometime in the near future!

Every time he does this I'm sure he has an agenda for getting people to ignore something else , and he has plenty to choose from. It's like yelling " Look over there !!" . I would love the worlds media to stop jumping to attention every time he opens his mouth . Its like feeding the desperate needs of an attention seeking child .

I wonder what Trump’s mother took when she was pregnant with him.
Seriously though what do mothers take when pregnant and in pain. My beautiful boy’s mother took crack cocaine!

Aside from arguments on either side... when I was expecting both sons in the 70's my instincts told me not to take any type of medication, drug, or alcohol during pregnancy, and not to smoke. Seemed a small sacrifice in the circumstances. I was lucky to be able to keep to to it. And just made sure to eat good food.

So I just made the decision purely on instinct, as did most of my peer group then. The people I knew anyway.

He is blaming paracetamol now. Probably easier to say.
He has little respect for those with special needs as documented within his own family saying that disabled people should just die. Very Hitlerish statement to make.
Autism is present from birth. Their brains are wired differently to others. There is nothing wrong with them they are just different. People like Trump with zero experience within the medical field should keep their opinions to themselves. Some people will listen to this orange buffoon. The US must be in the same boat as us, counting down the months to the next election.

Did anyone see the Channel 4 programme Trump v the Truth?
This is just the latest lie he speaks without knowing a thing about it. There is no known link between paracetamol and autism except in RFK's mind

NotSpaghetti

Did anyone read Allira's link and move on to the actual paper?
Did you read the corrections/alterations prior to publication of the paper? Did you notice this is an association
Did you read the end of the paper:

While this association warrants caution, untreated maternal fever and pain pose risks such as neural tube defects and preterm birth, necessitating a balanced approach. We recommend judicious acetaminophen use—lowest effective dose, shortest duration—under medical guidance, tailored to individual risk–benefit assessments, rather than a broad limitation.

Surely this is the point with any drug taken at any time - but especially during pregnancy!

Yes, I did. I even read the full version of the paper. This is part of the conclusion:

"While population-level trends in NDD rates have risen, potentially due to several factors including improved diagnostics and external exposures, further research is needed to confirm these associations and determine causality and mechanisms."

The paper concludes that there is an association between the increases in diagnosed cases of autism and increasing use of paracetamol as the preferred painkiller during pregnancy, but crucially no causation. It could be that the two increases are coincidental.

I read another critique of the paper, which pointed out that the reason women were taking paracetamol (for example, a virus) could be the cause of autism, rather than the paracetamol.

It all needs further research. However, given that paracetamol is the safest painkiller during pregnancy, it's irresponsible to make the kind of announcement Trump did.

I agree with the need for detailed research now it’s been raised, either to validate it or discredit it.

Rumours spread so quickly and easily, like the “It’s because of all those cheap paracetamol you can buy in the pound shops. I always buy mine from the pharmacy.” that I overheard in Vincenzo’s yesterday.

I agree with GrannyGravy’s comment about this being yet another way to guilt trip millions of mothers. A small scale Harvard study does not out-Trump the huge Swedish study. He really is irresponsible, there is no other way to spin this.

nanna8

Taking any drugs during pregnancy is risky. Not sure why he has honed in on this one but maybe he knows something the rest of us don’t. Or he’s had a disagreement with the manufacturer.

Who knows with Trump? Maybe to take the credit for the recent study himself?
I never took anything at all in pregnancy for the just in case theory.

A high temperature in pregnancy can be dangerous, as others have pointed out.
This is supported by robust data.
Reliable research into autism suggests that the causes of this are a complex interplay of environment and genetics. Mr Trump and Mr RFK prefer simple answers, however unproven.

A political commentator recently said that Trump will repeat the last thing he heard, clearly without knowing anything about it.
This is just another example of a not very sharp mind linked to a large mouth. Does anybody else remember bleach to kill the Covid virus?
It would be farcical if he weren’t so powerful.