Unfolding Genocide

So sorry to be contradicting you ronib, but I just had to google, 'Is Israel commiting genocide in Gaza?'
So many responses, and the one I chose is,
'Two leading human rights organisations, B'Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights say Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza and the country's western allies have a legal and moral duty to stop it.'

Genocide is the intention to destroy the group in whole or in part. This is the critical part. So given 2 million Gazans remain, that is not genocide. You would need to kill considerably more - if I remember our involvement with Biafra correctly.

Nearly 62,000 killed in Gaza ronib.
How many do you think would be classed as genocide? More killed every single day. Many have died of malnutrition aka starvation.

Anniebach

How many were killed by UK in 3 days of bombing of Dresden ?

Are we now searching for other atrocities in order to justify a genocide in Gaza?

@ronib, no genocide isn’t your speciality.
The sheer numbers of the dead without even trying to count those buried under rubble amounts to genocide.
And most western allies are now recognising this.

How many were killed by UK in 3 days of bombing of Dresden ?

ronib

If we had wanted starvation, if that had been our policy, 2 million Gazans wouldn’t be living today after 20 months.

It is the same with genocide - if we had wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon.

Mr Netanyahu said….

For an action to be classed as genocide, you don’t have to kill all the group.

Every recent genocide has not succeeded in killing everyone.

For example in Bosnia I think it was only 14000 boys and men killed.

This horror show is a genocide make no mistake about it.

I rather imagine a bomb or two or deadly gas? Marrmia. Sorry it’s not my specialty…. But there’s no doubt that Israel does have the means to commit genocide. And that it hasn’t.

And how exactly could Netanyahu have achieved genocide in one afternoon? He can't even rescue those poor hostages.
Netanyahu's policy is to stay in power.

Thanks for that information Whitewave. Was trying to remember which Irish politician it was who visited the blockade. She was very critical about the Israelis, and about how they are holding up the aid.
Yes easzybe, I have read that Hamas said that. But those children didn't, you know, the ones who are starving while the world takes sides.
If you have been reading all the numerous threads about the tragedy of Gaza, you will not find a single, solitary post, in any way shape or form, supporting the horrors of Hamas.

If we had wanted starvation, if that had been our policy, 2 million Gazans wouldn’t be living today after 20 months.

It is the same with genocide - if we had wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon.

Mr Netanyahu said….

Lack of food weakens them and they fall prey to disease. I think polio lives in water and the Gazans have very little clean water.

There has been a number of cases of polio amongst the children. At least one little soul has died.

The argument is that Israel will never be safe until it has completely destroyed Hamas.

But there is a real problem with this logic. Hamas can’t be destroyed by force.

“Israel can’t destroy Hamas for the same reason the USA couldn’t destroy the Vietcong or the Taliban, the French couldn’t destroy the National Liberation Front in Algeria and we couldn’t defeat the IRA.”

Insurgents fight from within the civilian population. The only way to convince those civilians that they should no longer support the insurgents is to offer something better.

So far Israel only offers a worse life and now the possibility of a huge concentration camp or life as a refugee in a foreign country - if they will have you. No wonder you here the words “I’d rather die”

International public and political opinion towards Israel , especially its government is changing. It seems whilst the actions of Hamas are acknowledged, the response is increasingly seen as unnecessarily harsh. It’s drawn attention to the growing numbers of illegal settlements which are another strong indicator of brutality towards Palestinians

Babs3 is imo correct to draw parallels with vile extremists on both sides

eazybee

In 1988, the group published the HAMAS charter, defining itself as a chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood and stating its primary objective was to annihilate Israel and replace it with a Palestinian Islamic state.

Has anything changed?

I think you will find that there has been equally hateful rhetoric on the Israeli side for a very long time too.
Far right extremism in Israel is every bit as vile and violent as that described by yourself. The difference being that Israel is actually annihilating Gaza.

The violence on the west bank has been ramped up since Israel said they would take over Gaza.
Farms that Palestinian families have worked on for hundreds of years are left empty.
One Israeli settler said "They've gone because God has said the land is for Jews.

In 1988, the group published the HAMAS charter, defining itself as a chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood and stating its primary objective was to annihilate Israel and replace it with a Palestinian Islamic state.

Has anything changed?

Netanyahu has opened up a can of worms for Jews everywhere as if they don't have enough problems.
There are morons who will use this excuse to target Jewish people, their homes and businesses.

AGAA4

What has changed is that many countries have changed their view of Israel despite the US.
Genocide leaves a nasty stain and it will take a long time to recover. Maybe if a more moderate government is elected in October 26
they can recoup some good will.

Yes I fear that Israel is set to become a pariah state.

What has changed is that many countries have changed their view of Israel despite the US.
Genocide leaves a nasty stain and it will take a long time to recover. Maybe if a more moderate government is elected in October 26
they can recoup some good will.

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So Netanyahu says he will allow Palestinians in Gaza to leave. In other words he wants to actively displace a people from their homeland with no right to return or basically he will kill them.
That is the offer being made.
I have never known any leader anywhere get away with this level of inhumanity with such unbridled impunity.

Israel can face all the criticism it can handle because without the US joining the list of countries who’ve spoken out, nothing will change.

And whilst Israel continues its killing of civilians, the settlers and Israeli police and IDF continue its violence towards Palestinians in Left Bank

The scale of destruction and killing in the Gaza war obscures what is happening in the West Bank, which smoulders with tension and violence.
Since October 2023, Israel's pressure on West Bank Palestinians has increased sharply, justified as legitimate security measures.

Evidence based on statements by ministers, influential local leaders like Simcha and accounts by witnesses on the ground reveal that the pressure is part of a wider agenda, to accelerate the spread of Jewish settlements in the occupied territories and to extinguish any lingering hopes of an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel.
Palestinians and human rights groups also accuse the Israeli security forces of failing in their legal duty as occupiers to protect Palestinians as well as their own citizens - not just turning a blind eye to settler attacks, but even joining in.
Violence by ultra-nationalist Jewish settlers in the West Bank has risen sharply since 7 October 2023.
Ocha, the UN's humanitarian office, estimates an average of four settler attacks every day.

The International Court of Justice has issued an advisory opinion that the entire occupation of Palestinian territory captured in 1967 is illegal.”