King’s Distant cousin says Historian

Victoria was born on.May 24th 1819 not '17.

Jaberwok

Victoria was born on.May 24th 1819 not '17.

I pointed that out earlier. She would have been about 45 when this supposed child was born.

So not impossible.

But probably untrue.

Allira

So not impossible.

But probably untrue.

Not impossible, without assistance, these days, but even now natural conceptions after 45 are pretty rare and would have been rarer then when people of all ages, aged faster.

Cherie Blair had Leo at age 45.

But I don't believe this woman.

Queen Victoria was 36 when he had her youngest child and 42 when Albert died.
As they were reputedly very close, it's hard to believe she had a child by another man 9 years later, having not conceived a child with Albert for the last six years of the marriage.

It's just tosh.

Victoria was 1 month short of 38 when princess Beatrice was born in 1857. She may have had declining fertility in her 40s, but conception would not have been impossible if she hadn’t reached the menopause. I wonder if her medical history is recorded anywhere.

I still don’t believe the story, though 🙄

AI search says ‘In 1848 the Balmoral Estate was leased by Queen Victoria and Prince Albert, and it was purchased by them in 1852. The Queen first mentioned Brown in her Journal on 11 September 1849, and from 1851 John Brown, at Albert's suggestion, took on the role of leading Queen Victoria's pony.’

So, they knew each other and were in regular contact well before he became her servant. I have no idea if this woman’s claim is genuine, but on that basis it’s definitely possible?

Grandma70s

My Irish grandmother claimed she was descended from Brian Boru, a past king of Ireland. She probably was, along with most other Irish people. He was far from celibate.

My mother used to make the same comment. Apparently all Irish born people were connected to royalty.

I m not in any way believing this woman but I m just simply saying it could have happened A woman can give birth in her forties and she was very close to John Browne maybe closer than many want to believe but again it doesn’t mean it did happen but DNA nowadays will tell the truth maybe no royal will dare come forward to give their DNA just in case 🤣
I think it s quite comical
I m sure it will drift into obscurity after a few weeks

How many “menopause” babies were born in those days?
I think it’s tosh, but not impossible.

BlueBelle

I m not in any way believing this woman but I m just simply saying it could have happened A woman can give birth in her forties and she was very close to John Browne maybe closer than many want to believe but again it doesn’t mean it did happen but DNA nowadays will tell the truth maybe no royal will dare come forward to give their DNA just in case 🤣
I think it s quite comical
I m sure it will drift into obscurity after a few weeks

Prince Philip provided a DNA sample when Anna Anderson claimed to be Grand Duchess Anastasia. She was proved not to be Anastasia.

DNA was also taken from him and others to identify the remains of the Romanov family.
He was also a descendant of Queen Victoria as well as the Romanovs.

grandMattie

How many “menopause” babies were born in those days?
I think it’s tosh, but not impossible.

I agree, grandMattie It's improbable, but not impossible.

Allira

BlueBelle

I m not in any way believing this woman but I m just simply saying it could have happened A woman can give birth in her forties and she was very close to John Browne maybe closer than many want to believe but again it doesn’t mean it did happen but DNA nowadays will tell the truth maybe no royal will dare come forward to give their DNA just in case 🤣
I think it s quite comical
I m sure it will drift into obscurity after a few weeks

Prince Philip provided a DNA sample when Anna Anderson claimed to be Grand Duchess Anastasia. She was proved not to be Anastasia.

DNA was also taken from him and others to identify the remains of the Romanov family.
He was also a descendant of Queen Victoria as well as the Romanovs.

I'm not sure how many generations this woman claims to be from Queen Victoria or if all the ancestors are female. If they are all female, it might be possible to persuade a maternal descendant to be DNA tested - they should both have the same mitochondrial DNA.

If this woman has come through males and females and is a third or fourth cousin of any known descendant, she'll have to rely on autosomal DNA testing. The chances of having shared DNA are (I think) about 1%, but it might be possible to prove something.

Not sure if this is relevant - it might be - but it is a true story which has stayed with me. A relation of mine was a doctor and he told me of being called to see a middle aged patient who had severe abdominal pain. He did a very thorough examination, and found himself delivering a baby. The woman knew she had been putting on weight but assumed it was the menopause.

It's a good line to shoot at a boring party

Anniebach

Quote Allira Wed 30-Jul-25 10:22:50
Of course you are, Anniebach 👸

I will curtsey next time I see you 😁
If my knees will allow.

Been working on family tree for over 20 years, now sorted in a
morning on GransNet . Best not curtsy a stiff bow will be acceptable!

Oh Anniebach, I do love you and your comments! (I am a lady of Welsh descent, and I am proud of that!)

BlueBelle

I m not in any way believing this woman but I m just simply saying it could have happened A woman can give birth in her forties and she was very close to John Browne maybe closer than many want to believe but again it doesn’t mean it did happen but DNA nowadays will tell the truth maybe no royal will dare come forward to give their DNA just in case 🤣
I think it s quite comical
I m sure it will drift into obscurity after a few weeks

I doubt if the Windsors would worry. Kate Middleton was a commoner. A commoner ancestor would be good for business.

Go back 10 generations, around 250 years ago, and just taking the direct line of parents and grandparents, you will have 1200 plus 9 x great, grandparents. In other words around 1750 you would have 1200 plus direct line family

Now take into account all the siblings these 9x great grandparents will have had and take that down those, their children and their children etc etc and you can probably trace kinship at some level with hundreds of thousands of people alive today.

It is hardly surprising that most if not all of us will be the distant relations of royalty, serial killers and paedophiles.

On one family tree I did , not mine, a man publicly hanged In Lincolnshire for stealing a horse. I can’t recall date etc now but his - g g g g etc granddaughter was thrilled and was so excited at the chance to tell her school class, junior school !

Probably writing a book!

M0nica

Go back 10 generations, around 250 years ago, and just taking the direct line of parents and grandparents, you will have 1200 plus 9 x great, grandparents. In other words around 1750 you would have 1200 plus direct line family

Now take into account all the siblings these 9x great grandparents will have had and take that down those, their children and their children etc etc and you can probably trace kinship at some level with hundreds of thousands of people alive today.

It is hardly surprising that most if not all of us will be the distant relations of royalty, serial killers and paedophiles.

I've seen family trees on Ancestry going back to Adam and Eve!

If I were to discover that I was even remotely related to our royal family, I think I would keep very quiet about it.

annodomini

If I were to discover that I was even remotely related to our royal family, I think I would keep very quiet about it.

Most of us are, however remotely!

annodomini

If I were to discover that I was even remotely related to our royal family, I think I would keep very quiet about it.

Cue a new thread "Who would you like to be your ancestor?"