Glastonbury And The BBC Drowns The Welfare Bill

The Rapper was making a political protest, just as singers did in the 1960's, with those protest songs. Maybe that's where he chose his name.

AnnieB, which Rapper at this year's Glastonbury sang that?

LaCrepescule..........I'm with you, if you are not allowed to call out the IDF comitting the most awful atrocites there is something wrong somewhere.

The chaos that is Palestine. One of the true tragedies of our age. I'd really like to know how Hamas got to be so powerful there. I see from the internet that they came to power 2006 when they won a majority of seats (which included women candidates) and when they ran quite openly on an 'Israel must be destroyed' ticket. Before that they had the PLO (Yasser Arafat) who in my memory seemed always ready to negotiate with Israel, and other countries besides, and didn't insist on doing away with the Israeli State.
Can any Gransnet member clued up in these matters provide info (without any conjecture) on Hamas's very successful grasp of power in Palestine? I know it's complicated, but at the time of Arafat there seemed to be more will to peace and less depressing blood lust like now.

Quote Maremia Wed 02-Jul-25 16:32:33
Why on earth would a rapper try to stir up anti-semitism?
I think he was making a point about the genocide in Gaza. If it comes to court, as an actual police charge of anti-semitism would, and should, then we will hear what was behind it, as the trial progresses.

Why wouldn’t a rapper stir up antisemitism, why would a rapper sing From The River To The Sea ?

Why on earth would a rapper try to stir up anti-semitism?
I think he was making a point about the genocide in Gaza. If it comes to court, as an actual police charge of anti-semitism would, and should, then we will hear what was behind it, as the trial progresses.

It stirs up antisemitism 🤬

Shouting 'Death to the IDF' is not entertainment, and should have been bleeped, but that chant was anti-IDF, a militia with more than one ethnic group serving in it. As nasty as it was, it is not anti-semitic.

keepingquiet

Reminds me of Kenny Everett at the Tory Party rally when Thatcher was there. He walked in shouting 'Let's bomb Russia!' whilst wearing a giant hand.

At the time people seemed to find it hilarious...

I didn’t. I was furious…

eazybee

Any chant shouting 'Death to anyone' is an incitement to violence whether it happens or not.

Exactly
And there’s already so much antisemitism in the UK as it is.

Not kill the soldiers? Referring to the ‘power’ or ‘death to the contruct’ ? In your dreams.
There’s no element of doubt whatsoever as to what they meant, tho no doubt Vylan will try and weasel out of it.
I actually blame the BBC more for airing it and making it available online for five hours.We know what these groups are like but the Eavis family probably thought the controversy would be good and the BBC are not only useless but woolly and biased.They knew full well that it should have been pulled.

Reminds me of Kenny Everett at the Tory Party rally when Thatcher was there. He walked in shouting 'Let's bomb Russia!' whilst wearing a giant hand.

At the time people seemed to find it hilarious...

Fat Boy Slim had a large image of Donald Trump and led chants of f**k Donald Trump whilst flicking him the bird (middle finger) at his Glastonbury set.

There seems to be rather a lot of anti-establishment sentiment at the moment.

Any chant shouting 'Death to anyone' is an incitement to violence whether it happens or not.

Glasweegran

It's not consistency though. Lucy was inciting actual rioters to set fire to a hotel containing innocent people including women and children, which they did. It was only luck and the fire brigade that stopped people being murdered.
Conversely, a punk group led chants at hippie peace festival (because that's what it started as and is still at heart) to a group of festivals goers who are not in the slightest danger of personally attacking the IDF, who are an organisation currently being accused of war crimes and genocide through international courts.
That is not an equivalency.
Could Bob Vylan have chosen better words, sure. Is it actual incitement to violence, No.

It could also have meant that they meant Death to the construct of the IDF rather than the soldiers themselves. I think they will be let off as there is an ambiguity as to what they meant especially as one of Bob Vylan has already put out that statement. I was as guilty of condemning them as the Media but I think there is an element of doubt now.

I deplore the Government's strategy of trying to hit the disabled especially when the mental health services are so fragmented with long waiting lists; if they get those on PIP suffering from anxiety which is shutting down their life into a mental health programme they will probably reduce the PIP bill as well.
I know loads of people who have already had their PIP removed from the who have then gone onto have it given back at tribunal. My daughter has actually given up trying. She found the anxiety on top of her anxiety, pain and mobility issues too much to live with it hanging over her for a year. Consequently, she lives in poverty and disarray in an area where there isn't enough money in the social care kitty for her even though the council agrees she needs it. It is truly disgraceful.
I think Keir Starmer just hoped that everything to do with the USA, Isreal, Iran, Ukraine, the BBC etc would help him get everything through. I'm glad the worst bits were removed but I still think it should have been dropped and proper consultation scheduled.

Zionists are Jews, should we accept Muslims when speaking of Hamas ?

I do not see Vylan's words as anti-semitic. They are anti-zionist, which is very different. The IDF are operating in Gaza as a force for unbelievable cruelty and genocide. Many Israelis are against this. The memory of the Holocaust is used as a justification for the dreadful things Israel is doing - in my opinion every effort should be made by other countries to stop what they are doing, not encourage and certainly not to aid, financially. It is beyond disgusting. The Jews are not the only persecuted people in the world. The words, which I believe were 'death to the IDF' or 'kill the IDF' could be taken as referring to the power, and the actions of the IDF, rather than death to individual soldiers. (And by the way I dimly recall Winnie Mandela expressing some fairly violent views) All of this is yet another attempt to curtail our free speech, by so-called 'liberals'. And of course it is indeed very handy, to take our attention away from important things like the Welfare Bill. I think Starmer & Co are more than 'darn glad' - more like 'mission accomplished' (again). Conspiracy? Wash my mouth out with soap!

I just think it’s a real shame that Glastonbury has become politicised.

Quote Glasweegran Wed 02-Jul-25 14:05:09

Here is one for you though. People are howling for a chant at at peace festival to be prosecuted.... while at the same time British citizens can go to Israel, join the IDF, kill children, laugh about it on social media, and then come back here as child killers without anyone batting an eyelid.

Here is one for you though,
A peace festival singing and cheering calls to kill ? Definitely not a peace festival

I think the BBC are an absolute disgrace for broadcasting these hateful idiots.

Probably some bright Oxbridge Media luvvy thing like Dominic Cummings who thought he is a god . Came up with the idea.

He is probably after a jo at C4. You know the world leaders. In pushing the envelope and breaking boumdaries and unquestionable bad taste.

Glastonbury sold out years ago.
Overpriced, Over commerialiised
and Over rated.

Nobody here is fortunately in the position to kill any Israeli armed forces but are in the position, should they want to, of harming Jewish people in this country.
Furthermore do we want to see these hateful chants and messages broadcast by our own BBC.Israel is an ally to the West.
Even furthermore to use a music festival to do that, when so very many young people were massacred at a similar music festival in Israel is even more vile. Vylan is an apt name.

Mt61

MayBee70

But the crowd at Glastonbury weren’t going to run off and start torching buildings because of the comments. The things that women said were made at a time when riots were in danger of erupting all over the country ( my town centre was shut down; thankfully nothing came of it). It was the equivalent of lighting a bonfire in the middle of a National park after weeks of drought.

To be honest maybee70, I never actually heard what LC said, but I did hear that those fires were started before- I agree it was an incredibly stupid thing to do, but her daughter & husband must be suffering.

I'm pretty sure the families in the burning hotel with the rioters outside were have a bad day too.

Anniebach

Quote eazybee Tue 01-Jul-25 17:36:15
It was a deliberate incitement to violence perpetuated by a performer desperate for publicity, in front of a huge crowd hyped up on a hot day, in a situation which could easily become to dangerous.
The parallels with stupid Lucy Connolly are there but it seems unlikely this idiot will be punished; everyone is far too busy showing how terribly broadminded they are.

They will not be punished, BBC has again apologised so they are safe.

Lucy Connolly encouraged a rioting mob to set fire to a hotel housing innocent people, including children.. it is a miracle no-one died.
Bob Vylan lead a chant to a crowd of festival goers about an organisation in a different country, an organisation that is, according to international courts, engaged in war crimes and genocide. No-one there was in the IDF, no-one there was in any way about to attack the IDF, and it is against a background of many many of the performers making statements in support of the Palestinian people. They could have chosen better words, but there was no-one being violent, and no-one there to be violent against.

There are no parallels.

Here is one for you though. People are howling for a chant at at peace festival to be prosecuted.... while at the same time British citizens can go to Israel, join the IDF, kill children, laugh about it on social media, and then come back here as child killers without anyone batting an eyelid.

Who worries you more?

Quote eazybee Tue 01-Jul-25 17:36:15
It was a deliberate incitement to violence perpetuated by a performer desperate for publicity, in front of a huge crowd hyped up on a hot day, in a situation which could easily become to dangerous.
The parallels with stupid Lucy Connolly are there but it seems unlikely this idiot will be punished; everyone is far too busy showing how terribly broadminded they are.

They will not be punished, BBC has again apologised so they are safe.

MayBee70

But the crowd at Glastonbury weren’t going to run off and start torching buildings because of the comments. The things that women said were made at a time when riots were in danger of erupting all over the country ( my town centre was shut down; thankfully nothing came of it). It was the equivalent of lighting a bonfire in the middle of a National park after weeks of drought.

If think that, you want to watch the limp biscuit concert from the late 90s, crowd went nuts, whilst performing the song ‘Break things’ because of a throw away comment made by the lead singer.