Fishing

Effectivement Mamie.

Talking of red tape, it's always Marine Le Pen who pops up in Brittany to protect the interests of French fishermen. Her grandfather was a Breton fisherman, so she knows. But that's another story.

escaped

I'm on the Devon coast. From what I can gather, the UK-EU ‘reset’ is welcomed by many of our region’s businesses, but the fishing industry is slamming the deal. The Cornish Fish Producers’ Organisation said the industry had been “used and abused”, with fishermen in Devon accusing the UK Government of selling it down the river.
It isn't the deal they had hoped for, so it's disappointing more than anything.

What you have to acknowledge is that this goes beyond anything most of us can understand. Fishing is intertwined with a sense of identity in many coastal areas, especially here in Devon and Cornwall.

Which is exactly the same in Normandy and Brittany. I imagine the rivalry and comradeship goes back hundreds, if not thousands of years.

escaped

I'm on the Devon coast. From what I can gather, the UK-EU ‘reset’ is welcomed by many of our region’s businesses, but the fishing industry is slamming the deal. The Cornish Fish Producers’ Organisation said the industry had been “used and abused”, with fishermen in Devon accusing the UK Government of selling it down the river.
It isn't the deal they had hoped for, so it's disappointing more than anything.

What you have to acknowledge is that this goes beyond anything most of us can understand. Fishing is intertwined with a sense of identity in many coastal areas, especially here in Devon and Cornwall.

Yes I get that escaped. I’m from a Yorkshire mining village so I understand how an industry can run through the soul of a community.

However, regarding this deal, it’s the same as the fishing industry has had since Brexit. Have they been ‘slamming’ that deal for the past 5 years and claiming that the Tory government ‘used and abused’ them via Brexit?

Maybe they have - I’d be interested to know.

This new deal is actually better for them because it slashes the red tape that has hampered all businesses post Brexit.

I'm on the Devon coast. From what I can gather, the UK-EU ‘reset’ is welcomed by many of our region’s businesses, but the fishing industry is slamming the deal. The Cornish Fish Producers’ Organisation said the industry had been “used and abused”, with fishermen in Devon accusing the UK Government of selling it down the river.
It isn't the deal they had hoped for, so it's disappointing more than anything.

What you have to acknowledge is that this goes beyond anything most of us can understand. Fishing is intertwined with a sense of identity in many coastal areas, especially here in Devon and Cornwall.

Whitewavemark2

Most of our fish thst we eat is fished in foreign waters. Most of the fish fished in British waters is exported to the eu, except that our waters have failed the test as far as shell fish is concerned and simplynot clean enough to be exported to the EU.

The red tape that the fishing industry has been facing since Brexit has been hugely damaging. Not only does it involve a lot of paperwork but also a vet to approve the catch. What took at the most 16 hours pre-Brexit now takes anything up to 28 hours to reach its European destination. This cannot be so attractive to the buyers.

Post Brexit, the fishermen did not receive any increase in quotas as promised, and where they did increase it was for fish that they didn’t want.

The result of this is that exports have fallen by over 100000 tonnes since Brexit. It has hit the small boat fishermen the hardest.

Half of U.K. quota has been sold to foreign interests and 2/3rds are in the hands of extremely wealthy owners. So we are not talking about your local friendly fisherman here when you shop in your local supermarket- far from it.

Remember that fishing accounts for 0.03% of our economy. Smaller apparently than our biscuit production.

Information gleaned from West Country publications

At last an intelligent answer! The fishermen certainly felt shafted by Brexit when they discovered it was to their detriment. I have yet to hear their opinion on Starmer's position but no doubt, it will be more enlightening than the armchair critics who rush to condemn on no evidence whatsoever.

Well they can now enjoy our sausages as well....but more on fish and agriculture on www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1348184-Analysis-of-the-key-points-to-the-EU-U-K-deal

For what it's worth, and this might not be of much interest, I'm getting ready to head to France next week for a month and reading the French newspapers in preparation.

The French Minister for Fishing hails the agreement as a major coup. She says, "Une excellente nouvelle pour nos pêcheurs".
She goes on to say, that the British accepted to open their waters to European boats for another 12 years. At the risk of reading too much into this, (and I am fluent in French), there sounds to have been a bit of reluctance on our part, but I honestly can't see what else Statmer could have done. Digging in our heels forever gets us nowhere with those pesky French.

By the way, her name is Agnès Pannier-Runacher, not quite as elegant a European lady as Angela von der Leyen, but there you go. Infact, doesn't she look a bit like Starmer to you?

WWM has posted a new thread which lists all the factors in the UK/EU agreement giving a chance to look at the deal as a whole now they have been clarified in full.

Wyllow3

Cherry picking and misinformation.

What is the sacrifice in the fishing industry? Things remind unchanged since BJ made the original deal and in fact now the industry has a huge financial boost to improve the sector.

What about the benefits of the agreements in the agricultural sector, for Salmon in the fishery sector, and the agreements around defence and security, and the benefits for the steel industry?

It is not free movement in the EU for youngsters, it is a like of like controlled quota system for youngsters to have experience abroad.

I’ve said this before, at the risk of being boring, why let facts get in the way of KS bashing!!

And maybe those Brexit supporters might consider why the farming community actually are benefitting from the new arrangements after being thrown under the bus by Brexit lies?

Perhaps some of those who claim the fishing industry has been “sacrificed “ could explain how? The fishing industry was sold off to foreign buyers long before Brexit and is a tiny part of the economy. All that has been done is to keep the arrangements that were made by one B Johnson.

Oreo

Oh LizzieDrip😁 Starmer should be paying you.

🤣🤣🤣

Cherry picking and misinformation.

What is the sacrifice in the fishing industry? Things remind unchanged since BJ made the original deal and in fact now the industry has a huge financial boost to improve the sector.

What about the benefits of the agreements in the agricultural sector, for Salmon in the fishery sector, and the agreements around defence and security, and the benefits for the steel industry?

It is not free movement in the EU for youngsters, it is a like of like controlled quota system for youngsters to have experience abroad.

Sarnia

Allsorts

I think he has betrayed the fishing industry here. No respect for him.

I agree with you. Sacrificing our fishing industry so tourists will have shorter queues at passport control. Allowing free youth movement from the EU when our own 18-24 year olds are the highest group of people in the country who are not in education, training or work. Get them into work and cut the benefit bill instead of even more people flooding in.
I didn't vote for him but I am flaming well lumbered with him.

Well I didn’t vote for Brexit but I’m lumbered with that. And Starmer is trying to undo some of the damage that has done.

Allsorts

I think he has betrayed the fishing industry here. No respect for him.

I agree with you. Sacrificing our fishing industry so tourists will have shorter queues at passport control. Allowing free youth movement from the EU when our own 18-24 year olds are the highest group of people in the country who are not in education, training or work. Get them into work and cut the benefit bill instead of even more people flooding in.
I didn't vote for him but I am flaming well lumbered with him.

Allsorts

I think he has betrayed the fishing industry here. No respect for him.

In what way has he ‘betrayed the fishing industry’???

I think he has betrayed the fishing industry here. No respect for him.

Wyllow3

I have mixed feelings about some Labour Party policies but we are discussing todays agreements

I think he should be judged by what he has achieved today.

Oreo, was it going to be easy to get a deal with the EU after the way we left and the attitude of the last governments, years to put it crudely of "slagging them off"?

I think he did very well in these circumstances.

Let’s not forget what Truss said about Macron.

I have mixed feelings about some Labour Party policies but we are discussing todays agreements

I think he should be judged by what he has achieved today.

Oreo, was it going to be easy to get a deal with the EU after the way we left and the attitude of the last governments, years to put it crudely of "slagging them off"?

I think he did very well in these circumstances.

Why such a fuss about a tiny industry?
More people work as tattooists than in fishing these days. Interesting fact of the day. Just sayin….

Could it be that some of us don’t rate Starmer like you do? Just a thought.
Being better than Boris at getting a deal with Brexit isn’t saying much.

LizzieDrip

^”Today Sir Starmer has done more for the UK as regards Brexit problems than any previous government”^

Agreed Wyllow.

Yet the detractors just can’t admit it.

He’s ’…not PM material’ and ‘…doing a rubbish job’ are simplistic, subjective, sleights with no factual substance to support them. Quite childish really!

Yes

Oh LizzieDrip😁 Starmer should be paying you.

”Today Sir Starmer has done more for the UK as regards Brexit problems than any previous government”

Agreed Wyllow.

Yet the detractors just can’t admit it.

He’s ’…not PM material’ and ‘…doing a rubbish job’ are simplistic, subjective, sleights with no factual substance to support them. Quite childish really!

This is more than about the fishery.

In fact 10 times more.