Current talk is that the Tories should join with Reform

Not sure by whom.

Badenoch stated yesterday that she would never get into bed with Farage 🤢🤢🤢

Mind you her performance is so utterly dismal I guess her days are probably numbered.

I hope so Whitewavemark. Why on earth she was chosen is, to me, as unfathomable as the choice of Truss.

Hhj

I don’t think Reform are interested either.

Who cares? They're both barking up the wrong tree.

Current talk is … is just another form of “They say…”
It reminds me of a well-known quote which was the personal motto of a reclusive millionaire, Edward F. Searles
"They say! What say they? Let them say."

So I’m thinking current talk ?
By whom” To whom? Let them talk!

Too early to tell just what will happen to Reform, no real leader, Farage is only interested in his own personal agenda, they could be a force in the next election or just a damp squib.

RosieandherMaw, your quote reminded me of the 1st Duke of Wellington and his reply to a former mistress blackmailer, 'Publish and be damned."

On first appearances, the only way the Conservatives will survive, either as a Government or Opposition, is with a pact with Reform. That will only happen if Farage is top dog.
Meanwhile, watch the results of by-elections. Yesterday's Council one delivered a Labour win but, if you added Conservative votes and Reform votes it was a very slender win. The Tories are haemorrhaging votes to Reform and that presents a dilemma.

What is needed is some 'old-school', experienced Tories, with a bit of gravitas and maturity.

Unfortunately, Johnson got rid of some of them, and in so doing, destroyed the Conservative party, basically.

Why would Reform want the One Nation wets? No thanks. This ‘broadchurch’ Tory appeals to neither man nor beast.

Anyway Reform have done so well in Wales taken a Labour council. First time NOT Labour in 107 years apparently!

No FriedGreenTomatoes2, I assume you mean Torfaen, where they have taken a seat on a council in Wales at a by election, not a council. Labour still have a 12 seat majority on the council?

Apologies Casdon of course you’re right. I’ve not been in long.
Even better!

Honestly, I don’t think the Torfaen result proves anything other than that Reform mobilised supporters, as there was a 24% turnout, and less than 1000 votes were cast in total.

There’s no doubt that the Tories are in the doldrums at the moment, but they still have some decent MPs, and when Badenoch has gone I think their fortunes will revive. A lot is going to be learned from what’s happening in USA, and I think the Tories will move back nearer the centre, because that’s where the votes of the majority are, and there will be more there when Trump’s economic policies fail to deliver - bearing in mind his term will be up before our next general election.

Well unless you think Trump is the centre, the majority in the states voted for him after all.

I’m talking about the UK in four and a half years time Galaxy, not the USA last November? My thoughts are just an opinion, as are yours.

But if they are learning from what is happening in the states, they wouldnt go to the centre.

As I said, I’m talking about in four and a half years time, not now. Perhaps you think Trump’s economic policies will bring domestic bliss by the end of his four years in post and everybody in the USA will be happy, but I don’t believe that will be the case.

No but he will have had 4 years of power which is I assume is what the Tories would like.

Well, the level of power he has atm, 2 years, because the mid terms could take away his small majorities in Congress.

The Tories will want to get enough votes to be elected. That does not mean they will have to move to the right. The majority of UK voters are not likely to be supportive of the Trump regime style of government being translated to the UK in four and a half years time, in my opinion.

Enough voters are currently putting reform ahead in the polls.

I don’t know if you’re being deliberately obtuse Galaxy, but you’re talking about now, whilst all my posts refer to how voters will feel in four and a half years time, not now.