Still told to 'get over it, it's done.

I don’t want them to welcome us back in. ReadyMeals, if by that you mean rejoining the EU. I voted to Remain but much has changed since then and we would rejoin on their terms, not ours. I very much doubt it will ever be on the cards anyway.

I'd be surprised if they welcomed us back in anyway. The UK representatives were always vetoing stuff, and Farage was outright rude to them. He could be the next PM and I think the EU members would be horrified to have to deal with him again.

We do already trade with them on their terms, they will not import any goods that don’t meet EU standards.

We do still trade with the EU.

It is just that we are no longer part of the Customs Union and Single Market.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^Realistically it will have to be the UK accepting EU regulations before significant changes are going to be seen^

Ye gods! 😮
Beam me up Scottie. Please.

We left their system if we want to trade it will be by their rules, just like any other, that’s the result of what we voted for.

Claremont

Allira

The figures show in the YouGov statisitics, even accepting a degree of inaccuracy - are quite staggering. ELEVEN percent- I am quite sure many here are actually surprised.

The figures are in my link above and 11% is just one of the figures.

yes, and 89% is the other! Both staggering, even is we allow for some degree of error.

We can all be pro-active in effecting change. As said, Hannan and others did categorically say we would NOT leave the Customs Union. nor the Single Market (he said, no-one, but no-one is even thinking of leaving either)- don't you remember?

So many lies, so mcuh deceipt, and so little preparation and planning. We need to do better for the UK, and allowing Trump to walk all over us is certainly NOT going to ensure UK Sovereignty.

And another figure from the survey:

55% of Britons now say it was wrong for the UK to leave the EU, with just 11% seeing Brexit as more of a success than a failure
Not all Britons, of course, only the couple of thousand who were polled.

Of those who voted:

One in six Leave voters (18%) now say that it was wrong for Britain to choose to leave the EU, although 66% still say Britain made the right decision.
By contrast, just 7% of Remainers now think it was right for the UK to leave, compared to 88% who still think a vote for Brexit was wrong.
So 7% of Remainers have changed their view and think it was the right thing to do.

More than six in ten Britons (62%) say that Brexit has so far been more of a failure, against just 11% who feel that it has been more of a success, though a more noncommittal 20% of Britons consider it to be neither a success nor failure.

Notably, even Leave voters are more likely to consider Brexit to have gone badly than well, with 32% labelling it more of a failure so far, compared to 22% describing it as more of a success. Four in ten Leave voters (38%), however, see Britain’s exit from the EU to have been neither a success nor a failure.

Remain voters are more uniform in their judgement, with 87% saying it has been a failure and just 3% believing Brexit to have been a success.

The results are really not as simple as you claim.

Realistically it will have to be the UK accepting EU regulations before significant changes are going to be seen

Ye gods! 😮
Beam me up Scottie. Please.

I don’t think I feature in that quote, do I?

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Allira

^The figures show in the YouGov statisitics, even accepting a degree of inaccuracy - are quite staggering. ELEVEN percent- I am quite sure many here are actually surprised.^

The figures are in my link above and 11% is just one of the figures.

yes, and 89% is the other! Both staggering, even is we allow for some degree of error.

We can all be pro-active in effecting change. As said, Hannan and others did categorically say we would NOT leave the Customs Union. nor the Single Market (he said, no-one, but no-one is even thinking of leaving either)- don't you remember?

So many lies, so mcuh deceipt, and so little preparation and planning. We need to do better for the UK, and allowing Trump to walk all over us is certainly NOT going to ensure UK Sovereignty.

There is no point stressing about what you can’t change, you just make the best if it and hope the relationship will improve and there is every chance it will. Realistically it will have to be the UK accepting EU regulations before significant changes are going to be seen.
Some form of freedom of movement is going to need to be accepted, until then small steps.

Claremont

Allira, of course we move forwards- always. But when you make a mistake, especially a massive one, ro go forwards you have to find ways of correcting that mistake, instead of wallowing in it.

wallowing in it?

I am not wallowing at all, perhaps you feel you, are unless, as you seem to hint, you are being pro-active in reversing the decision?

The figures show in the YouGov statisitics, even accepting a degree of inaccuracy - are quite staggering. ELEVEN percent- I am quite sure many here are actually surprised.

The figures are in my link above and 11% is just one of the figures.

When something happens to you personally. or to your family and friends, which is very unjust and has massively negative consequences, do you 'get over it', or do you get stuck in, and try to do something about it, at all levels.

I'd be interested to know how you are getting stuck in, and trying to do something about it, at all levels as you say you have written to your MP to no avail and say that The solution does not lie with my local MP, nor can here offer any help- what a silly suggestion.

Why silly?

What do you suggest as next steps for the general public?

When something happens to you personally. or to your family and friends, which is very unjust and has massively negative consequences, do you 'get over it', or do you get stuck in, and try to do something about it, at all levels.

When something happens that cannot be ever be reversed, then YES!
Brexit happened. It wasnt a dream. And the world is not in time travel.

As to what happens in future, that is a different matter.

RosieandherMaw

" I hate hearing the same conversations over and over again "
Especially when they are less of a conversation and more of a monologue, or even a diatribe.

Things move forwards. Do you believe Brexit has been a great advantage for the country, for your family, for you personally?

Since I first expressed my real concerns about Brexit- so many have joined our side. The figures show in the YouGov statisitics, even accepting a degree of inaccuracy - are quite staggering. ELEVEN percent- I am quite sure many here are actually surprised.

When something happens to you personally. or to your family and friends, which is very unjust and has massively negative consequences, do you 'get over it', or do you get stuck in, and try to do something about it, at all levels.

Remember, for instance, that Hannan promised at the time that we would NOT leave the Customs Union nor the Single Market. (I can find the video if you wish).

I have many times- he is an über Tory and is totally useless. The solution does not lie with my local MP, nor can here offer any help- what a silly suggestion.

Kandinsky

Claremont

Write to your MP about this.
I know this is a talk board and people can talk about whatever they want ( within reason ) but nothing will change talking about this on here.
We’re not going to rejoin the EU even if everyone on GN agreed with you.

Maybe your MP can offer more help?

What makes you think that some of us don’t write to MP’s etc?

" I hate hearing the same conversations over and over again "
Especially when they are less of a conversation and more of a monologue, or even a diatribe.

LizzieDrip

^”I hate hearing the same conversations over and over again”^

Fine! You don’t need to listen to them, or join in🤷‍♀️

Indeed. And as circumstances change, the same subject changes with it, so the conversation becomes valid again, as something just have to be done to redress the situation.

Closing eyes, ears and minds is never a way to go forwards at all. Be it in your personal life, or at country level.

Brexit is a VERY VERY expensive blip!

As said, thread after thread complaining about prices rises, shortages of medicines, shortages of GPs and medical staff- linked with total denial of one of the, or probybly THE main reason- makes no sense.

loopyloo

Our relationship with mainland Europe is something that has been argued about for two thousand years and more.
And will go on being a bone of contention.
I arrived at the conclusion that Brexit was inevitable as so many people I spoke to were dissatisfied with so many laws and directives were coming from Brussels, overruling our government.
So, rather than Boris stirring it up, my impression was that he rode a wave of opinion.
I was surprised what the mood was.
And that was before the bus!
Generally think a trading block is a good idea but not the increased political union that was being encouraged and enforced.
So hope Starmer does well with closer links.

I do agree Boris was riding the wave of opinion rather than stirring up anti EU feelings. I also agree that a trading bloc was fine, but it didnt stay at just that. I have said before on these EU threads that I just cannot understand why some people have such a love affair with the EU and feel sad they think the UK is is so worthless unless we belong to this club.

Our relationship with mainland Europe is something that has been argued about for two thousand years and more.
That's an under-statement! 😁

In comparison, Brexit is just a blip.

So hope Starmer does well with closer links.
I agree.

Our relationship with mainland Europe is something that has been argued about for two thousand years and more.
And will go on being a bone of contention.
I arrived at the conclusion that Brexit was inevitable as so many people I spoke to were dissatisfied with so many laws and directives were coming from Brussels, overruling our government.
So, rather than Boris stirring it up, my impression was that he rode a wave of opinion.
I was surprised what the mood was.
And that was before the bus!
Generally think a trading block is a good idea but not the increased political union that was being encouraged and enforced.
So hope Starmer does well with closer links.

I will say that we can think we are not stressed, when we sometimes are.

Recently the phone rang.
I was outdoors, bringing in some washing.
I tried to be sensible and not rush to answer the phone, and be calm.
I thought I was succeeding..until i fell over the outside step into the porch, I have never done that before,
I thought I was being serene about the phone ringing. But I was not.