Ministers considering stripping NHS England of powers with aim of streamlining health service.

When I read that the NHS is to be reviewed, reformed, streamlined, overhauled or there's going to be a consultation, a green paper, a white paper and a commission is to be appointed to investigate the NHS, I'm inclined to think "jam tomorrow, as usual".

Tours not yours.

What would we hear from her? I assume she's busy doing her job and hasn't got time for publicity yours.

No problem.
I don't expect we'll hear from her until plans are ready to be laid out. Wise when we have the press we do - anything seized upon and speculated upon in bits and pieces not to mention character assassinations ready to hand.

I see Wyllow3 thanks 😃

Not addressed to you specifically Oreo, sorry it came across this way.

I'd only heard of her name and the post she occupied before this thread, so I was just quoting Maizie as in "Why should you have heard of her? There are hundreds of people in key posts at most levels of government who most people have never heard of."

Wyllow3

*Why should you have heard of her? There are hundreds of people in key posts at most levels of government who most people have never heard of.*

Exactly. Dont understand this fuss.

My comment was an honest one but surprisingly everybody else on here has commented as if they knew very well who she is.
Any ‘fuss’ therefore has nothing to do with my post.

That’s definitely not on the cards CariadAgain, there’s nothing proposed that would see a single NHS for the UK. It’s potentially a huge reorganisation for England though, with the loss of the purchaser/provider split, some services being handed over to Local Authorities, and greater expectations of, and support to, families and local communities.

We've recently had a heavily disputed long thread condemning the number of managers in the NHS and quite a lot about systems that doest work well, I doubt that" leave things as they are" would work.

Me - I just want the NHS back to one body - not NHS England and they've separate off NHS Wales (and it's noticeably worse than the rest of our NHS). Even the websites (never mind the service) and one can find a reasonably helpful clear webpage about an issue and then realise it's only "NHS England" and go looking for a very similar one substituting "Wales" for "England" and it's missing or a mess. So you can see where to go in the English bit - but not in the Welsh bit......

2023 is the one I watched Wyllow3 but I have some sympathy for anyone trying to reform the NHS when government keeps changing/interfering/ruining the best laid plans. Autonomy for the NHS above all is needed.

I think this might be the video, Ronib?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKWH2AFAHaU

It's a very long one but she sets out her vision for the future.

Her style is coherent but thoughtful.

What's curious to me is that such a keynote speech had so little press coverage at the time. But it was before the election.

However it's unlikely that we'd see a major speech like this when the NHS is under review and policy being thrashed out.

Well I have heard of AP - she is the daughter of a bishop and for some reason, I had hopes she would do well. There’s a YouTube video of her setting out her ideas for the NHS.

Why should you have heard of her? There are hundreds of people in key posts at most levels of government who most people have never heard of.

Exactly. Dont understand this fuss.

MaizieD communism also still being run for the elites over the people?
I rather believe that paternalism is to blame rather than specific economic systems. Men in charge.

Oreo

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Oh give over. My comment, although criticising the size of her salary, was pointedly so - because when do we EVER hear from the scented AP? I have made reference to this in the past numerous times on old threads. The NHS is in a parlours state yet the woman never puts her head above the parapet. Actually, maybe that’s why!

I’ve never heard of her or seen her before🤔

Why should you have heard of her? There are hundreds of people in key posts at most levels of government who most people have never heard of.

I wonder why that is, ronib?

Can it be something to do with economies still being run for the benefit of the capitalist classes?

Adam Smith wasn't too keen on unbridled capitalism, either, though his adherents tend to ignore that bit...

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Oh give over. My comment, although criticising the size of her salary, was pointedly so - because when do we EVER hear from the scented AP? I have made reference to this in the past numerous times on old threads. The NHS is in a parlours state yet the woman never puts her head above the parapet. Actually, maybe that’s why!

I’ve never heard of her or seen her before🤔

The odd thing about Marx is that having highlighted the struggles of the workers of the world against the capitalist elite, the capitalist class has expanded and the workers are still at the bottom of the ladder. Interesting theoretician Marx …..

Agree!

I hadn't used wiki as a source had checked many others as he's written so much stuff and big academic,

but yes he was an editor 1977-91 before he became New Labour.

Marxism Today closed 1991.

Demos UK was also co-founded by Geoff Mulgan, not a Marxist,

Wikipedia says that he was Editor of 'Marxism Today'. Is that incorrect?

I have no great problem with Marxists. Marx was a very good sociologist and economist.
I'm far more worried about far right capitalists.

It is important to know where significant organisations stand

Demos UK was also co-founded by Geoff Mulgan, not a Marxist, who was another academic and served as an advisor under Blair. That was then.

Chair of Trustees is now Dame Julie Mellor and she heads up a cross party mix. Really worth reading down to the description of what they are now committed to under their "activities and performance

demos.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Demos-Group-Accounts-Final-31.12.20.pdf

I think tanks are important for background thinking in depth and collecting statistics and "blue sky thinking" that policy makers can draw on. As long as there is transparency.

growstuff

PoliticsNerd

Thank you Growstuff. Demos is a think tank started by a Marxist and based in the USA. I will read it with care :-)

Demos isn't based in the US.

My wrong assumption and bias. I'm not generally keen on Think Tanks. Believe with care is about where I am. Thank for highlighting.

sorry, X posts, Wyllow

PoliticsNerd

Thank you Growstuff. Demos is a think tank started by a Marxist and based in the USA. I will read it with care :-)

There's nothing wrong with being started by a Marxist. Think tanks are started by people of all shades of political opinion.

At least it is transparent about its funding, which is more than the rightwing think tanks favoured by the tories are.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demos_(UK_think_tank)

www.opendemocracy.net/en/who-funds-you/

AS growstuff noted, it isn't a US think tank.