Amsterdam attacks

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Wyllow3

Annie, unless I am mistaken, it is Netanyahu who advised his citizens to stay away from such events, (for the next week, according to Sky News) not the countries with footie matches coming up asking they don't come.

"The Israeli government has told its citizens not to attend cultural or sports events abroad over the next week following violence in Amsterdam"

For example the footie match coming up in France, this Thursday, where

"In Paris, police said that 4,000 police officers will be deployed for Thursday's football match between France and Israel.

President Emmanuel Macron will attend the game, a gesture aimed at sending "a message of fraternity and solidarity after the intolerable acts of antisemitism that followed the match in Amsterdam", his office said."

Good for Macron. And good for the French government banning any Palestinian flags in the stadium for the match. French flags fine, Israeli flags fine. They certainly do not want a repeat performance of what happened at PSG against Atlético Madrid last week.

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And Israel hasn’t wrought death and destruction in Gaza and Lebanon. ? Any rockets aimed at Israel are destroyed by their iron dome system which has meant few if any Israeli civilians have died or been injured since 7/8 October.

On the other hand, nearly 50,000 so far, mostly women and children have been killed and thousands more injured by the rockets aimed at Gaza which has no protection, no iron dome. Can we begin to imagine what that must be like. Palestinians have been dehumanised, they are for the most part ordinary people with ordinary lives loving their children and wanting to live in peace.

Israel as the powerful country with powerful friends has broken the rules of war time and time again. Netanyahu is a criminal and today is the last day of a 3 week warning the USA gave Israel insisting Israel allow food and medical aid into Gaza…..they have done nothing. What will America do? Absolutely nothing and Israel knows it. So the starvation and slaughter goes on until what?
There won’t be peace, Netanyahu has other plans for Gaza the West Bank and Jerusalem and that doesn’t include a Palestinian state.

They must regret voting for Hamas , or perhaps not

Oreo

Wyllow3

I know they have Annie, but feel I can't support the current regime in all their decisions.
But thats hardly news, since there are disagreements within Israel itself. But many people don't see that from the outside.

When you have a group of young Israelis chanting anti Arab slogans (not anti Hamas, just anti Arab as such), couldn't Netanyahu suggest this isn't a great way forward as well as rightfully condemning the attacks.

Israel is reeling from the murders of Oct 7th and the daily missiles ever since.Yes, they are retaliating and the feeling against Arabs is strong, what do you expect? In this case in Holland it was the pro Palestinians and supporters of terrorist groups that organised attacks on SM before the fans ever arrived in the country.This is a proven fact.

No Oreo Maccabi Tel Aviv Ultras are racist thugs and have been long before Oct 7th.

I guess that’s why Dutch leaders and Macron are saying they are acts of disgraceful antisemitism then hey?

Anniebach

They must regret voting for Hamas , or perhaps not

Some do some don’t!

Babs03 you’re grasping the wrong end of the stick.

silverlining48

And Israel hasn’t wrought death and destruction in Gaza and Lebanon. ? Any rockets aimed at Israel are destroyed by their iron dome system which has meant few if any Israeli civilians have died or been injured since 7/8 October.

On the other hand, nearly 50,000 so far, mostly women and children have been killed and thousands more injured by the rockets aimed at Gaza which has no protection, no iron dome. Can we begin to imagine what that must be like. Palestinians have been dehumanised, they are for the most part ordinary people with ordinary lives loving their children and wanting to live in peace.

Israel as the powerful country with powerful friends has broken the rules of war time and time again. Netanyahu is a criminal and today is the last day of a 3 week warning the USA gave Israel insisting Israel allow food and medical aid into Gaza…..they have done nothing. What will America do? Absolutely nothing and Israel knows it. So the starvation and slaughter goes on until what?
There won’t be peace, Netanyahu has other plans for Gaza the West Bank and Jerusalem and that doesn’t include a Palestinian state.

This has zilch to do with certain Dutch thugs beating up Israeli Jews in Amsterdam there is already a thread discussing the war in Gaza.

Babs03

@Oreo that is a highly offensive thing you say about innocent Muslims worldwide.
If you think is because of extremism you should consider that millions of Muslims are the victims of Islamic extremism and that before western governments destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Iraq, that extremism was not as big a problem fir the poor Muslims living there who had to flee and seek refuge in western countries who like killing Muslims but don’t like having them in their own countries as refugees.
Perhaps most Muslims worldwide fear the extremism of western governments that March into their homelands and destroy them.
And your comment more or less makes it clear that Islamophobia is hunky dory because Muslims should pay for the actions of a bunch of extremists.
I get that you must dislike Muslims it is patently clear, but if is ok to hate a whole people because of the sins of a few, that is also applicable in non Muslim situations around the world.
Was through with this thread before but am certainly through now.

Oreo that is a highly offensive thing you say about innocent Muslims worldwide.

That is not what Oreo said at all.

Are you denying that terrorism exists?

It seems so Allira
Either that or posters don’t read comments properly.

Oreo

It seems so Allira
Either that or posters don’t read comments properly.

Oh, I think often posters put their own spin on others' posts for whatever reason.

Allira

Babs03

@Oreo that is a highly offensive thing you say about innocent Muslims worldwide.
If you think is because of extremism you should consider that millions of Muslims are the victims of Islamic extremism and that before western governments destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Iraq, that extremism was not as big a problem fir the poor Muslims living there who had to flee and seek refuge in western countries who like killing Muslims but don’t like having them in their own countries as refugees.
Perhaps most Muslims worldwide fear the extremism of western governments that March into their homelands and destroy them.
And your comment more or less makes it clear that Islamophobia is hunky dory because Muslims should pay for the actions of a bunch of extremists.
I get that you must dislike Muslims it is patently clear, but if is ok to hate a whole people because of the sins of a few, that is also applicable in non Muslim situations around the world.
Was through with this thread before but am certainly through now.

Oreo that is a highly offensive thing you say about innocent Muslims worldwide.

That is not what Oreo said at all.

Are you denying that terrorism exists?

There isn't even the slightest hint anywhere in Babs03's posts of a denial that terrorism exists. The question is a 'strawman'.

Posters certainly do put their own spin on others' posts.

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Oreo Are you are the thread police?
I was responding to your comments 3 posts up about Muslims causing death and destruction.
No need to respond. I will leave you to it.

Allira

growstuff

Posters certainly do put their own spin on others' posts.

Oreo: Any instances of Islamaphobia in Europe come from the fact that extremism from groups who are Muslim has wrought so much death and destruction around the world that it causes this.

Babs03 Oreo that is a highly offensive thing you say about innocent Muslims worldwide.

Not sure how else you interpret that, growstuff

🤔.

And there isn't much point explaining!

No point at all in explaining anything to those who read posts wrongly or twist words to suit narratives, so that’s one thing you’re right on growstuff.

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I think it's relevant and necessary looking at some aspects of what happened in Amsterdam in relationship to the conflicts in the Middle East and several GN's have done this in different ways

The events there are not separate from the conflicts in the Middle East and how it's spilling out into other countries.

Since my comments about terrorism from extremist Muslim groups such as Hezbollah have been deleted due no doubt to complaints by one or two posters there is little point in continuing this.
I cannot understand why the truth about this can’t be mentioned, it’s beyond bizarre.
I have already said what I think about antisemitism and I stand by it.It’s everywhere.

It (antisemitism) is everywhere and getting more noticeable,too. I think what is happening in the Middle East gives an excuse for them to crawl out of the woodwork and pretend to be on the side of the ‘righteous.’

I think you’re right nanna8 what are things like in Australia?

I’m inclined to agree with nanna8 - anti semitism is ever present. The awful war is giving anti semites power and the ability to claim they’re on ‘the right side’

Before anyone shouts at me - of course the death of innocents and children is horrific and wrong. So we’re the October attacks that triggered this war