The Reform Party plans private prosecution of men in Manchester Airport fight with police Five MPs write to Home Secretary over concerns officers involved have been ‘thrown under bus’ while men have g

I think it is the same the whole world over. Probably the British system is better than most by comparison. Certainly not so corrupt as places like Indonesia where bribes are the thing.

growstuff
I’m wondering if the person you know is the same person who was on Question Time last week. It was a man who said his nineteen year old son had been killed by a drink driver two years ago, and although the person who did it was known and charged, they were still waiting for the case to come to court.
It’s very sad and actually unacceptable that people have to wait so long for justice. This situation has been caused by insufficient funding for the courts, obviously exacerbated by Covid, but that is not the main reason. I do hope that Rachel Reeves, in her efforts to continue austerity in order to fill her black hole, will not continue to deprive our courts of the funding they need to operate properly and in a timely manner.

Freya5: “Seems strange that all the rioters can be seen in court very quickly,not so people who plead not guilty.
All that was done to prosecute the rioters quickly should be done for all victims, but not sure why the delay in this particular instance, seeing as its all on camera, and they should not have been allowed bail, or to play the victim on TV.”

There is nothing strange at all, if somebody pleads guilty they can be sentenced quickly, if somebody pleads not guilty they have to go to trial and the average waiting time to go to trial is 357 days. This crucial difference is being used constantly to falsely claim a two tier justice system and sadly a lot of people believe it, seemingly you do too. Reasons for allowing or not allowing bail are complex with formal guidance as there is for sentencing and it is not for anybody with no legal knowledge to say who should or should not be granted bail purely on the basis of their own emotional and uninformed response.

Wyllow3

Since Reform can't act until and if the CPA don't prosecute, its looking awfully like it was announced right now because of Farage's constituents not seeing him and his face claim!

Everything Farage does and says is in pursuit of self promotion.

MayBee70

Casdon

I think this is just a dead cat story, to take attention off Mr Farage.

You mean to distract from this?
‘The leader of Reform UK has backtracked over comments he made about not being able to hold constituency surgeries in Clacton.
Nigel Farage MP said last month he was advised by the Speaker of the House of Commons office not told the meetings due to security.
But the Speaker's Office and parliamentary security team said they had "no recollection" of telling Farage he should not hold in-person surgeries, according to the Press Association.
The Clacton MP was asked who was "lying" at a press conference and replied: "The Speaker's office is always right".
Farage had told LBC in September that he had been advised not to accommodate the "old-style" physical meetings between MPs and constituents’.

Yes MayBee70. Both stories broke yesterday.

Casdon

I think this is just a dead cat story, to take attention off Mr Farage.

You mean to distract from this?
‘The leader of Reform UK has backtracked over comments he made about not being able to hold constituency surgeries in Clacton.
Nigel Farage MP said last month he was advised by the Speaker of the House of Commons office not told the meetings due to security.
But the Speaker's Office and parliamentary security team said they had "no recollection" of telling Farage he should not hold in-person surgeries, according to the Press Association.
The Clacton MP was asked who was "lying" at a press conference and replied: "The Speaker's office is always right".
Farage had told LBC in September that he had been advised not to accommodate the "old-style" physical meetings between MPs and constituents’.

False claim

Since Reform can't act until and if the CPA don't prosecute, its looking awfully like it was announced right now because of Farage's constituents not seeing him and his face claim!

maddyfour

Thank you for this thread fgt2.
I had wondered how things were progressing. I know it often takes a long time for cases to come to court, but not sure how long it takes to be charged.

In the case of the person I knew who was killed by a speeding driver, it will have been two and a half years.

Freya5

growstuff

Freya5

Wyllow3

Thank you Freya for the details .

It seems to me a very, very dangerous precedent when money can apparently buy early attention to a case.

Reform are suggesting (in the article) crowdfunding it.

What about the victims of other cases waiting for justice seeing their cases pushed aside by those with money and power? No, very wrong.

It will only come about if the cps do not prosecute I believe.
Seems strange that all the rioters can be seen in court very quickly,not so people who plead not guilty.
All that was done to prosecute the rioters quickly should be done for all victims, but not sure why the delay in this particular instance, seeing as its all on camera, and they should not have been allowed bail, or to play the victim on TV.

Why shouldn't they have been allowed bail? Is there any suggestion they will leave the country? AFAIK they don't have a criminal history, so they're not a danger to the public.

My understanding is that the public hasn't seen all the video evidence. As the police statement says, they're not giving an ongoing commentary on proceedings.

You know all this,how. Hopefully their passports have been confiscated.

Because I read the same statement from Greater Manchester Police as Wyllow.

I'm afraid that I think that if the riots hadn't been incited by racists some posters wouldn't be half as worried about the prompt sentences passed on some of the participants.They might, indeed, have been fully approving of the swift actions taken...

This article reveals information both on Farage's problems (as in a dead cat case) and gives details of the airport incident and the police case including not releasing more footage to the public

www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/07/farage-backtracks-on-claim-he-was-advised-not-to-hold-constituency-surgeries

"A GMP spokesperson said: “Following an investigation led by the GMP major incident team, a comprehensive file of evidence was sent to the CPS in mid-August, and we await a charging decision.

We have avoided providing ongoing commentary on the case, including releasing footage, to ensure that justice can be served without the risk of prejudicing proceedings

We continue to support the officers involved.

growstuff

Freya5

Wyllow3

Thank you Freya for the details .

It seems to me a very, very dangerous precedent when money can apparently buy early attention to a case.

Reform are suggesting (in the article) crowdfunding it.

What about the victims of other cases waiting for justice seeing their cases pushed aside by those with money and power? No, very wrong.

It will only come about if the cps do not prosecute I believe.
Seems strange that all the rioters can be seen in court very quickly,not so people who plead not guilty.
All that was done to prosecute the rioters quickly should be done for all victims, but not sure why the delay in this particular instance, seeing as its all on camera, and they should not have been allowed bail, or to play the victim on TV.

Why shouldn't they have been allowed bail? Is there any suggestion they will leave the country? AFAIK they don't have a criminal history, so they're not a danger to the public.

My understanding is that the public hasn't seen all the video evidence. As the police statement says, they're not giving an ongoing commentary on proceedings.

You know all this,how. Hopefully their passports have been confiscated.

(What's Farage up to to need a dead cat story?)

Growstuff is right about the video evidence. What was revealed to the public was a tiny part of all the visual evidence.

There are all the police body cams, CCTV in the airport, the public were asked to provide any videos shot), and all the witness statements for the whole sequence of events. The is likely to be relevant material we just don't know about.

Thank you for this thread fgt2.
I had wondered how things were progressing. I know it often takes a long time for cases to come to court, but not sure how long it takes to be charged.

I think this is just a dead cat story, to take attention off Mr Farage.

Freya5

Wyllow3

Thank you Freya for the details .

It seems to me a very, very dangerous precedent when money can apparently buy early attention to a case.

Reform are suggesting (in the article) crowdfunding it.

What about the victims of other cases waiting for justice seeing their cases pushed aside by those with money and power? No, very wrong.

It will only come about if the cps do not prosecute I believe.
Seems strange that all the rioters can be seen in court very quickly,not so people who plead not guilty.
All that was done to prosecute the rioters quickly should be done for all victims, but not sure why the delay in this particular instance, seeing as its all on camera, and they should not have been allowed bail, or to play the victim on TV.

Why shouldn't they have been allowed bail? Is there any suggestion they will leave the country? AFAIK they don't have a criminal history, so they're not a danger to the public.

My understanding is that the public hasn't seen all the video evidence. As the police statement says, they're not giving an ongoing commentary on proceedings.

Wyllow3

Thank you Freya for the details .

It seems to me a very, very dangerous precedent when money can apparently buy early attention to a case.

Reform are suggesting (in the article) crowdfunding it.

What about the victims of other cases waiting for justice seeing their cases pushed aside by those with money and power? No, very wrong.

It will only come about if the cps do not prosecute I believe.
Seems strange that all the rioters can be seen in court very quickly,not so people who plead not guilty.
All that was done to prosecute the rioters quickly should be done for all victims, but not sure why the delay in this particular instance, seeing as its all on camera, and they should not have been allowed bail, or to play the victim on TV.

Tice is a self publicist, but even he should know that ALL potential criminal prosecutions have to follow due process. We cannot and must not convict by public opinion however abhorrent the alleged offences were. He and his pals should also be aware that by giving this case undue publicity they are providing grounds for a half decent defence Barrister to get the case dismissed. I suspect this is what Reform want as it will provide ammunition for their two tier legal system allegations.

To save any silly comments; I am horrified by violence, irrespective of who commits it, have family in the police.

Millie22

fgt2
I knew this thread would be you before I read it!!

#twotierkier

Maybe because I live in Manchester. 😊
It’s pertinent.

kircubbin2000

I think they are afraid of the backlash and riots which might occur.

These men were arrested, charged and sent to prison for their behaviour during the riots. Strange that there was no backlash or riots.
news.sky.com/video/uk-riots-men-jailed-after-clashes-at-anti-racism-protest-13193950

Everybody seems to be missing the fact that a police officer kicked the perpetrator in the head, this is not acceptable and is also a serious offence. The officer was suspended and an inquiry had to take place. The two men employed a dodgy lawyer who took it upon himself to hold a press conference and a complaint about a second police officer was made so another inquiry had to take place. The lawyer clearly knows the system and is playing for all it is worth with delaying tactics. If the police officer had behaved properly it would be an open and shut case. Farage is using this case to support the claim that there is a two tier system of justice which is a populist and racist view very prevalent on platforms such as X and I didn’t expect to see that view being pushed on here.

Police Federation:

"Last year, there were 50,259 assaults on UK police officers – 40,330 in England and Wales, 6,657 in Scotland, and 3,272 in Northern Ireland. That equates to one officer being assaulted every 10 minutes.13 Mar 2024"

www.polfed.org/dorset/news/2024/appalling-number-of-assaults-on-police-officers/#:~:text=Last%20year%2C%20there%20were%2050%2C259,being%20assaulted%20every%2010%20minutes.

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Oh dear. Should they be allowed a free ride

Sorry if I wasn't clear. No free rides for serious offences like this.
By saying "no evidence' I was referring to there being no evidence time wise of deliberate slowing down by CPS of prosecution.

Thank you Freya for the details .

It seems to me a very, very dangerous precedent when money can apparently buy early attention to a case.

Reform are suggesting (in the article) crowdfunding it.

What about the victims of other cases waiting for justice seeing their cases pushed aside by those with money and power? No, very wrong.