Almost 1,000 migrants crossed the Channel yesterday.

We need safe routes and efficient processing of applications for asylum

Exactly Nano14!

MaizieD

maddyfour

A baby died today.
This is too much.
It needs to be stopped.

Well, it clearly isn't being stopped by restricting the supply of boats, is it?

We need safe routes and efficient processing of applications for asylum.

Well said.

Oreo

The thing is, they aren’t all arriving from war torn hell holes, they’re arriving from France.

No, they're arriving from the war torn hell holes via France.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

But at least they went legally and at the exhortation of the Australian government back in the day! Big difference.

Its nigh on impossible to seek asylum legally in the UK, as you have to first be in the country to apply!

Curlywhirly

Thanks for that LizzieDrip well said 👏

Yes, well said!

nanna8

That includes purely economic reasons as well as drug pushers who see a lucrative market waiting for them? I hope not.

That statement shows how little you know about drug pushers
Drug pushers don’t travel in inflatable ribs. Who is on those ribs are young people who have been promised a job. The problem was, the pond life who took their money didn’t tell them what the job was: pushing drugs.
But to be correct they are distributing drugs and farming cannabis.

built not build

Of course silverlining. Australia is a country build on, and by, immigration - largely ‘economic migrants’ from around the world in search of ‘a better life’.

But at least they went legally and at the exhortation of the Australian government back in the day! Big difference.

Not forgetting all the migrants to Australia seeking a better life ….…just saying. Ten pounds was a small price to pay to get there safely.

nanna what evidence do you have that people fleeing war and persecution in search of safety are likely to be ‘drug pushers’?

Those seeking a ‘better life’ for themselves and their families (often referred to as ‘economic migrants’) are following in the footsteps of the parents of Sunak, Braverman, Patel et al, who frequently, proudly state that their parents came to the UK ‘with very little, in search of a better life; that they worked hard and contributed to the country’. True! Wonderful!

That’s all so-called ‘economic migrants’ want to do! Talk about pulling the ladder up after you’ve benefitted from it

Thanks for that LizzieDrip well said 👏

That includes purely economic reasons as well as drug pushers who see a lucrative market waiting for them? I hope not.

Oreo …

From Amnesty International:

“Seeking asylum from persecution is lawful – refugees don’t need anyone’s permission to do so.

This really ought not be hard to understand. The Refugee Convention is to give effect to the right of everyone:

“…to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.”

The Convention was made in 1951, in the wake of the systematic murder of millions of Jewish people – several of whom had been prevented from seeking safety including in the UK from the Nazi regime that then murdered them.

The Convention requires all countries to share in the responsibility of providing asylum to refugees – not just countries that border conflict or repressive regimes.

And it does not, therefore, require refugees to seek asylum in any particular country – whether or not that country is labelled a ‘first’ or ‘first safe’ country. But it does prohibit penalising refugees for crossing borders without prior permission merely to seek asylum.”

The thing is, they aren’t all arriving from war torn hell holes, they’re arriving from France.

nanna in the UK the only ‘correct channels’ that exist are for people from Ukraine, Hong Kong & Afghanistan (for those who worked with UK army during the war).

There are no safe and legal routes for people fleeing war, famine & persecution in any other countries to apply for asylum in the UK.

I have empathy with all of these people. If I was living in a war torn hell hole, I would do anything to escape.

Do you really believe we in the UK should not feed anyone who seeks asylum here by arriving in a small boat!!!

I haven’t got any empathy for them.
My empathy is only with those who go through the correct channels and are given asylum as genuine refugees escaping persecution. I really feel for them and wonder what they are thinking about these queue jumpers and their crooked organisers.

Jasper16, we all have empathy for these people, .i certainly do and I am sure most do, its not a question of a lack of empathy nor of racism.

I suppose you would need some sort of empathy to understand why parents might try to get themselves and their children here.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

From the Telegraph this morning:

“ It brings the total number of migrants who have died attempting to cross the Channel this year to 53, compared to 12 for the whole of last year.

Six children and six adults died on Sept 3. A month later, a two-year-old boy and three adults died when their overloaded boats got into trouble.

An increasing number of children are dying in the small boats because they are vulnerable to being trampled or crushed in the overcrowded dinghies and being in the sea.”

It’s a personal decision of course but knowing the risks involved I would not take a child of mine on such a perilous journey. Parents surely have a duty of care regarding this choice.

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This is just silly.

On immigration threads we've gone time and time again why it just isn't possible legally small boats wise as regards British and French waters and legally as regards the rights of Asylum seekers in the UK. You'd have to change International Maritime Law as regards action at sea and sea rescue.

nanna8

1. You are an independent country with a navy. Use them.
2. Ignore all outside pressures. Look after your own country.
3. Do not feed, shelter or offer any services to people arriving on boats

Nanna is from Australia.

I know that DD in Oz wonders why we don’t do more to ‘stop the boats’.

She says the Australian navy would send them back into international waters, if they were trying to go there.

I realise that Oz won’t have had the little dinghies etc trying to get to them, there would be larger craft attempting it over there.

1. You are an independent country with a navy. Use them.
2. Ignore all outside pressures. Look after your own country.
3. Do not feed, shelter or offer any services to people arriving on boats

nanna8

Well just stop it. What is wrong with the country?

What do you suggest?

As Casdon said, there has been progress limiting boat supply, so the gangs find another way round it - for now.

There are no quick fixes. I dont know why successive governments have not tried to establish safe routes/processing except to speculate that its not been viable internationally.

Well just stop it. What is wrong with the country?