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This is a thread in answer to a question on a thread totally unrelated to the crossings.
This isn’t about the rights and wrongs of it, or why Asylum Seekers don’t seek Asylum in the first safe country they come across, though if you do wish to know more click on this link!
www.unhcr.org/uk/refugees#:~:text=They%20provide%20the%20universal%20definition,freedom%20would%20be%20at%20risk.
For reasons why people seek asylum here in the UK:-
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/understanding-channel-crossings/
www.redcross.org.uk/stories/migration-and-displacement/refugees-and-asylum-seekers/5-reasons-people-cross-the-channel
theconversation.com/ive-spent-time-with-refugees-in-french-coastal-camps-and-they-told-me-the-governments-rwanda-plan-is-not-putting-them-off-coming-to-the-uk-221798
Enough info here (I hope) to both explain and to be balanced.
It’s nice to live in Lala land though. I thought this was about boat people, not those genuine asylum seekers who go through correct channels. I suppose the UK takes pressure off other parts of the world because the people arriving on boats know they will be fed, clothed and given shelter. Looking back, I guess you could see it as reparations. Unfortunately most are not from those countries previously invaded by Britain.
How strange. I really thought we’d invaded Afghanistan 
?
MayBee70 You have heard of the Taliban?
What is your take on them?
ronib
MayBee70 You have heard of the Taliban?
What is your take on them?
I don’t understand your point. We left the Afghan people to the hands of the Taliban, that’s why so many are persecuted and are trying to escape (especially the ones that worked for us that we totally let down).
Whitewavemark2
Primrose53
They cross in small boats because theFrench don’t stopthem.
Your post clearly shows that you haven’t read a single link.
There are plenty of videos of French police standing by and allowing boats to be launched.
Genuine migrants want to come to the UK because they speak English well or have family here, others are trafficked here for illegal purposes.
The UK gets a lower share of migrants than almost any other European country so we dont get any sympathy from them, France will take our money to reduce boats crossing the channel but are not really committed to stopping them.
This is from 2020, but if you look at the TF1 website you will see the recent operations.
MayBee70 The USA withdrew from Afghanistan. In 2021 the Taliban returned to power.
David49
Whitewavemark2
Primrose53
They cross in small boats because theFrench don’t stopthem.
Your post clearly shows that you haven’t read a single link.
There are plenty of videos of French police standing by and allowing boats to be launched.
Genuine migrants want to come to the UK because they speak English well or have family here, others are trafficked here for illegal purposes.
The UK gets a lower share of migrants than almost any other European country so we dont get any sympathy from them, France will take our money to reduce boats crossing the channel but are not really committed to stopping them.
Read mamie’s link
ronib
MayBee70 The USA withdrew from Afghanistan. In 2021 the Taliban returned to power.
We withdrew along with the USA leaving many people who had worked with the US and UK at risk of death at the hands of the Taliban. In my northern town, the largest group of asylum seekers are from Afghanistan.
nanna8
It’s nice to live in Lala land though. I thought this was about boat people, not those genuine asylum seekers who go through correct channels. I suppose the UK takes pressure off other parts of the world because the people arriving on boats know they will be fed, clothed and given shelter. Looking back, I guess you could see it as reparations. Unfortunately most are not from those countries previously invaded by Britain.
nanna8, see MOnica’s post earlier about the young man whose family sold everything to pay smugglers to get him to the UK. We don’t have correct channels.
nanna8
It’s nice to live in Lala land though. I thought this was about boat people, not those genuine asylum seekers who go through correct channels. I suppose the UK takes pressure off other parts of the world because the people arriving on boats know they will be fed, clothed and given shelter. Looking back, I guess you could see it as reparations. Unfortunately most are not from those countries previously invaded by Britain.
Lala land? There are no “correct channels” What don’t you understand about this statement!
Chestnut
And here are some of the countries they come from.
You photographed a map from local TV show, from one organisation that deals with refugees and decided that this reflects refugees across the UK?
The map in itself shows nothing, in fact it seems to show some countries with no refugees such as Somalia and Ethiopia, where the numbers are relatively high.
The Refugee Council claims that the UK takes only 1% of the total world refugee figures.
41% of all refugees are children.
UK refugees receive a government allowance of £7 per day.
According to the Migration Observatory web-site the asylum seekers are coming from: Afghanistan Iran Pakistan India and Bangladesh.
Other countries include Turkey Iraq Eritrea Albania Syria Sudan Vietnam Brazil and China.
Dr Max Pemberton in the Daly Mail today reports treating a convicted rapist who was indignant about being convicted because the woman he raped was not wearing a hijab so was ok to rape!
What does 'it's nice to live in La La Land' actually mean? I do wish people wouldn't speak in meaningless cliches in serious discussions. It can only lead to misunderstandings.
The mother of the woman who died after being crushed in a boat has said that the family will continue trying to get across the channel, because it's the only chance they've got. If the death of one of their family doesn't stop them what will?
According to the Home Office 703 migrants were detected coming ashore yesterday on 11 boats. Two migrants drowned.
I wonder how many were not detected
This really cannot continue…
Cossy
Chestnut
And here are some of the countries they come from.
You photographed a map from local TV show, from one organisation that deals with refugees and decided that this reflects refugees across the UK?
I haven't 'decided' anything. But if this shows all those African and Middle Eastern countries are heading to one small part of England then we really are in trouble!
BevSec
Dr Max Pemberton in the Daly Mail today reports treating a convicted rapist who was indignant about being convicted because the woman he raped was not wearing a hijab so was ok to rape!
Which is appalling and unacceptable and he should be deported. Let’s not tar everyone with the same brush eh
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GG I agree that asylum seekers should not need to use dangerous boats in order to seek refuge. There should be safe and legal routes for them to apply for asylum.
Full facts
fullfact.org/immigration/are-there-4000-foreign-murderers-and-rapists-living-freely-uk/
on crime, does not back up rumours in the DM.
Chestnut
Cossy
Chestnut
And here are some of the countries they come from.
You photographed a map from local TV show, from one organisation that deals with refugees and decided that this reflects refugees across the UK?
I haven't 'decided' anything. But if this shows all those African and Middle Eastern countries are heading to one small part of England then we really are in trouble!
There might only have been one asylum seeker from some of those countries. Just because asylum seekers are coming to the UK from many different countries it doesn't mean that every single one of those countries is offloading its population onto us...
Do get this into perspective...
When we have over 1 million people on council waiting list for social housing where an earth are these people going to live?
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