Immigration and migrants

Chinese whispers? Nobody has suggested that Cossy is either bigoted or ignorant, in fact it was her own post that says she doesn’t like the ignorant and bigoted posts on the subject of migrants coming here on boats. Clear now?

Oreo

You certainly sound very angry.Calm down and realise that there are posters with other views on the matter to yours.

I’m neither angry nor nasty! Nor am I bigoted, ignorant nor intransigent, though you have decided I’m most of the aforementioned.

Calm down, how utter patronising can you be??

Enjoy the rest of your day my dear, I’m perfectly capable of debate and acceptance of others views, but then as you pointed out earlier “ We’re not in an Oxford or Cambridge debating society, it’s a forum to dip in and out of.
Virtue signalling describes the OP quite aptly”

Thank you for your posts on my post, I respectfully suggest we agree to disagree with each other.

Oreo ^We’re not in an Oxford or Cambridge debating society, it’s a forum to dip in and out of.
Virtue signalling describes the OP quite aptly.^

This comment has made me smile because it perfectly sums up the Adam Smith article regarding virtue signalling. You might learn something if you read the article … but then, you might not wish to interrogate your own entrenched views.

People entering our country in this way via the boats are unknown to authorities here, frequently lie about who they are and where they come from and why they left.We have no idea if either only a few are criminals or a lot.No idea at all.

Cossy

Oreo

Legal migration is one thing and illegal migration is another.
Stop mixing them up.
Calling other points of view other than your own ignorance and bigotry shows how intransigent you are.

I’m not mixing them up!

Stop being so patronising! I’ve worked with asylum seekers, I know the difference. Funny though isn’t it that the figures for “legal migration” are far far higher than those arriving here through legal routes and are likely to be far more of a drain on our resources than those coming on small, dangerous boats.

I have no issue at all with differing opinions, I have issues with SOME of the bigoted, misinformed comments on here.

I have no issue with carefully controlled immigration either.

I’m neither ignorant nor bigoted but thanks anyway for your extremely helpful post!

Again, well said. I found the post patronising too. On the other hand I've found Cossy's posts on several threads to be the opposite of ignorant and bigoted!

Oreo

Then you’ve met one asylum seeker, so what?

I’ve met many!

Germanshepherdsmum

Couldn’t agree more Oreo. Our resources cannot cope with this influx of people.
Here are some figures:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53699511#:~:text=As%20at%2021%20April%2C%206%2C265,to%20the%20UK%20this%20way.

As I’ve said constantly I have no issue with controlling migration, however they arrive. I too want a stop to these dangerous boats. I just take a particular dislike to some “civilised” people labelling migrants/asylum seekers as “illegals” and suggesting a large proportion of them are potential criminals!

Well done Cossy for telling the truth, uncomfortable though that clearly is for some. Chat forum or not, nonsense should not be tolerated.

You certainly sound very angry.Calm down and realise that there are posters with other views on the matter to yours.

Namsnanny

I've have no idea what your last post means.

I think there is a typo in this sentence:

Any decent person will call our tosh and nonsense regarding human beings when they see it!

'Our' should be 'out' (t & r being next door to each other on the keyboard) It makes perfect sense then.

I agree with Cossy

Oreo

Legal migration is one thing and illegal migration is another.
Stop mixing them up.
Calling other points of view other than your own ignorance and bigotry shows how intransigent you are.

I’m not mixing them up!

Stop being so patronising! I’ve worked with asylum seekers, I know the difference. Funny though isn’t it that the figures for “legal migration” are far far higher than those arriving here through legal routes and are likely to be far more of a drain on our resources than those coming on small, dangerous boats.

I have no issue at all with differing opinions, I have issues with SOME of the bigoted, misinformed comments on here.

I have no issue with carefully controlled immigration either.

I’m neither ignorant nor bigoted but thanks anyway for your extremely helpful post!

LizzieDrip

^It has become popular to describe certain behaviour as ‘virtue signalling’… As popular as it is, it’s a stupid term that misuses the concepts it invokes, it encourages lazy thinking, and it’s hypocritical.^ eazybee

This is from The Adam Smith Institute. The author goes on to explain in further detail - I can post a link, should you wish to read it.

We’re not in an Oxford or Cambridge debating society, it’s a forum to dip in and out of.
Virtue signalling describes the OP quite aptly.

Very well said Cossy.

I think your 'point b) we are here safe and sound only due to an accident of birth.' needs particular attention. What would any of us, fortunate enough not to need to seek refuge elsewhere for now, do if we needed to in the future?

Couldn’t agree more Oreo. Our resources cannot cope with this influx of people.
Here are some figures:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53699511#:~:text=As%20at%2021%20April%2C%206%2C265,to%20the%20UK%20this%20way.

It has become popular to describe certain behaviour as ‘virtue signalling’… As popular as it is, it’s a stupid term that misuses the concepts it invokes, it encourages lazy thinking, and it’s hypocritical. eazybee

This is from The Adam Smith Institute. The author goes on to explain in further detail - I can post a link, should you wish to read it.

Then you’ve met one asylum seeker, so what?

Legal migration is one thing and illegal migration is another.
Stop mixing them up.
Calling other points of view other than your own ignorance and bigotry shows how intransigent you are.

Oreo

Naive virtue signalling.

“Naive” Have you worked with, or even met, even one asylum seeker? I have, so I’m hardly naive!

eazybee

Namsnanny, I'm with you.
Virtue signalling.

It’s not virtue signalling at all. I’m simply sick and tired of the bigotry and ignorance constantly posted. These people, whether they are right or wrong, are humans, just like you and I. Calling them “illegals” and rejoicing about them now trying Ireland and spreading misinformation is simply disgraceful.

Call it virtue signalling if it makes you feel good!

I call it telling the truth, showing empathy and compassion and understanding that our current govt love to deflect and blame anyone other than their inept selves for our “illegal” and “legal” migration situation!

Naive virtue signalling.

I agree. The gutter press and the Tories demonize immigrants. Almost all immigrants are here legally and many are doing essential jobs.

Thank you Cossy.

Thank you Cossy. This needed saying. I support every word in your post.

Namsnanny, I'm with you.
Virtue signalling.

I've have no idea what your last post means.