ULEZ

Why not sell his non-ULEZ car and use the proceeds to buy a ULEZ compliant car? You do not have to go in for the scrappage scheme and buy new.

If he has any friends or family say, 50 miles from London, he should be able to get a ULEZ compatible car without a premium for being ULEZ. He could sell his current car that way.

Yes, this gentleman has a problem, but Hetty and I have suggested 2 solutions and there may be others.

By the way isn't it very ageist to use his age, '82' to add emotive pull to this story? His age is irrelevant. Plenty of 82 year olds are more than capable of walking to the shops. Shopping can go in a pullalong trolley lke the one I will be using when I go to the market today.

You don’t have to spend the scrappage scheme money on a new car - you can use it for anything - taxis, second hand car, bike, new kitchen, whatever.

The 82 year old who only uses his old car a couple of times a week could pay for a lot of taxis with the scrappage money plus the savings he would make on tax, insurance, MOT etc. It costs quite a bit just to keep an old car on the road.

Oh dear, and there was I, feeling rather sorry for him. Well, I guess we’re all different.

It seems to be hitting the poor and those who cannot afford a newer car. Typical Conservatives.

nanna8

It seems to be hitting the poor and those who cannot afford a newer car. Typical Conservatives.

Sadik Khan is a Labour Party Mayor

nanna8

It seems to be hitting the poor and those who cannot afford a newer car. Typical Conservatives.

He’s Labour, which makes me feel ashamed.
The wrath of Khan will soon be the doom of Khan, what a plonker the guy is.

The 82 year old man being talked about will lose his freedom.
The sense of getting in your car to go to other places other than shops or the GP surgery is worth a lot.Going to visit relatives and friends for a start.As others say, paying the charge won’t help with air quality all it means is those with money will pay and people like himself will lose out.

tanith

It’s affected me and at least 3 family members. My diesel Qashqai non compliant as were my GDs corsa, my GSs work van etc. I gave my car to another GS who doesn’t live in London and I thankfully had the means to buy a compliant small car. The others have had to scrap perfectly working vehicle for the pittance of 2K and take on finance to replace them.
I feel it’s very unfair for those who live inside the ULEZ and use cars for work and now on top of everything else have to fork out £60+ a week to be able to keep their jobs.
No wonder they are damaging the cameras and calling it the Wrath of Khan.🤬

I agree with this!

It affects dh’s car, which is a diesel and considerably bigger than mine. We use his only for longer journeys. We live within the new ULEZ zone.

His was bought at a time when we were still being told that diesels were more environmentally friendly! 😩

DiamondLily

It's a cash cow. Various tests show it will make little difference. Someone, from a radio station, was trawling London this morning, with an official measure thing of pollutants - the areas that were most polluted was the London Underground,, followed closely behind by inside Waterloo Station.

I have breathing and lung problems - the air I breathed in a village in Sussex was no better than I am breathing now in an outer London leafy suburb.🙄

It's descended into chaos anyway::

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12456717/ULEZ-expansion-destroy-cameras-Sadiq-Khan.html

Roll on next May's mayoral election. 👏

and this! Outlying areas of Greater London have pretty low levels of pollution, unlike the very high levels anyone who travels about London on the tube will experience. The town where I grew up in Surrey, which has green and wooded environs has been swallowed into the ULEZ zone. This is a punitive tax that is going to affect poorer people, trades people, mothers who have to take their children to school because they can't get a place at a local one, those who have to attend hospital, the list goes on. Yes indeed Diamond Lily "roll on next May's mayoral election"

Do people deliberately ignore that this was introduced by Boris Johnson and encouraged by Grant Schapps, or not bother to find out.

Gordon Brown encouraged people to get diesel cars. Just how complacent to think the scrappage scheme will be affordable to those who don't have the means to replace old, but still serviceable cars. As others have pointed out, the raison d'etre, is you can continue to pollute as long as you pay to do so.

TerriBull

Gordon Brown encouraged people to get diesel cars. Just how complacent to think the scrappage scheme will be affordable to those who don't have the means to replace old, but still serviceable cars. As others have pointed out, the raison d'etre, is you can continue to pollute as long as you pay to do so.

Those 'old but still serviceable' cars will still command quite a high price in areas where ULEZ is not applicable (which is a very large part of the UK). The second hand car market is doing very well because of long lead in times for the manufacture and delivery of new cars.

I recently had a serious accident which wrote off my 7 year old car. The insurance company paid out nearly as much on it as I paid 5 years ago. The replacement car, the same age, make and virtually the same model, cost slightly more than I'd paid 5 years ago...

The 82 year old man being talked about will lose his freedom

That is ludicrous. He can call a taxi any time he wants to make a journey.

Ilovecheese

Do people deliberately ignore that this was introduced by Boris Johnson and encouraged by Grant Schapps, or not bother to find out.

Of course they do...

It won’t affect anyone who has a compliant car. Tories stirring it up to suggest every mum who takes her child to school or oldies who visit a supermarket have old bangers. 90% people NOT affected. The really poor wouldn’t have a car. The hope is the polluting vehicles will be used less and less on the roads , TFL need money as they are dumped on from a great height by the government , they should be subsidised like EVERY OTHER major capital city.

I think the real problem is with white van men. Most white vans have diesel engines and tThose men on whom we depend for plumbing, heating, electrical work etc and those in the ULEZ area and aroind will be in and out of the ULEZ area all day every day. They cannot work without their van and they usually have vans bought new and then run for 10nyears or more.The old vans being sold on to new entrants to the market.

Oreo lots of us have suggested alernative solutions for this elderly man - and his age is irrelevant.

All the workmen who come round our ULEZ way have spanking new vans which they get paid for via their business, anyone with a non compliant van will just add a few £s onto their charges to the customer.

His age isn’t irrelevant.Older people are often more reliant on being able to get into their car to go somewhere and we don’t know what his health at that age is.I now wait to be told how many 82 year olds can turn somersaults.My Mum is only a year younger and very reliant on her car and she wouldn’t feel secure getting into taxis with a driver she doesn’t know.Some areas are rougher than others Monica.
She also enjoys driving and it does give her freedom.
It’s no good pretending otherwise, this new law gives people who can afford it the opportunity to continue doing what they like and poorer people having to give up driving altogether.

It's a bl**dy sad world when you can't trust a taxi driver...

welbeck

the tory candidate is still very pro-boris, and has said things that many see as (almost) racist.
when challenged, she refused to amend her comments.
so that might produce some tactical voting.

And Siddique Khan has never made a racist comment,

But no one has a god given right to drive any car anywhere they like. For the sake of the climate/ health/ everyone will have to suffer some inconvenience. Plenty of mums/ pensioners/ workmen have compliant vehicles. Those that haven’t aren’t always the poorest. There are schemes to help them. If the government supported them like they have in other cities maybe that help could be more generous.

TerriBull

DiamondLily

It's a cash cow. Various tests show it will make little difference. Someone, from a radio station, was trawling London this morning, with an official measure thing of pollutants - the areas that were most polluted was the London Underground,, followed closely behind by inside Waterloo Station.

I have breathing and lung problems - the air I breathed in a village in Sussex was no better than I am breathing now in an outer London leafy suburb.🙄

It's descended into chaos anyway::

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12456717/ULEZ-expansion-destroy-cameras-Sadiq-Khan.html

Roll on next May's mayoral election. 👏

and this! Outlying areas of Greater London have pretty low levels of pollution, unlike the very high levels anyone who travels about London on the tube will experience. The town where I grew up in Surrey, which has green and wooded environs has been swallowed into the ULEZ zone. This is a punitive tax that is going to affect poorer people, trades people, mothers who have to take their children to school because they can't get a place at a local one, those who have to attend hospital, the list goes on. Yes indeed Diamond Lily "roll on next May's mayoral election"

Same as our borough outer boroughs who have to come to work ie carers teachers nurses none of these voted for Khan having to pay this charge.
People working nights whose hours crossover from one 24 hour shift to another it’s costing them double
The bottom line is it’s a cash cow if you can afford £12.50 to use you polluting vehicle he doesn’t mind you coming to London to pollute the air.

tinafl perhaps you could enlighten us with Sadiq Khans’s racism comments? I haven’t heard any. You obviously listen to his speeches . The car lobby here is like the gun lobby in the USA - right wingers who feel they have the right to do what they like even if it harms others.