Trump called to account for Capitol Riot?

Oh I do hope so!

I really hope so but he’s a slippery character…don’t hold your breath!

If there's any justice.....

Just listening to The Context where they had an American commentator.

He said that, if Trump appears before the Grand Jury he will not be allowed lawyers and, of course, everything he says will be recorded.

Trump without lawyers could be interesting to say the least. He "loses it" pretty quickly.

I thought so Wyllow. I was surprised when I heard it, but I imagine it must be more like our committees in Parliament. I think those giving evidence have to swear to tell the truth. Johnson having a legal team was, I think, an exception to the norm.

This is going to stretch into the distant future as he will exhaust all the legal openings up to the US Supreme Court and if course if he were to be re-elected he could pardon himself.

There will be a civil war in that country in the not too distant future. Trump has a lot of supporters who sincerely believe he has been unfairly ‘stitched up’. Scary bunch.

I was listening to a podcast with RS and AC a couple of days ago and they were talking to an American foreign correspondent (forget his name). He said that Russians definitely influenced the Trump election, and that there was rejoicing in Moscow when he got elected as President.

It seems that Trump should never have got elected. I think that Putin has been extraordinarily successful in dividing the American population into serious opposition that seems unstable and irreconcilable at the moment.

This week's "This is America" podcast was about Florida and why people move there and also why they move out. It was really alarming, it made me think about The Handmaid's Tale! The anti vax movment has gained real traction in America, linked to Trump's populist politics and then add in De Santis with his repressive views and you have a very toxic sort of politics based on "freedom" but actually quite the reverse. Frightening! It's no wonder Putin wants people like Trump in power and they mess with our politics too.

I don't know how you stop populism. It appeals to the uneducated gut rather than the educated brain and stimulates areas of the brain that no other emotion stimulates.

We are seeing it again in this country. We have a "let's hate tertiary education (degrees) once again. The government uses this to put forward a case for in-work training.

But there is already a well supported case for in-work training so why start a hate campaign against degrees?

It all, as it does with Trump, come down to covering their tracks. And that comes down to how they have used and want to use the countries money. Wool is very cleverly pulled over people's eyes and "hate" is the tool for doing it.

DaisyAnneReturns

I don't know how you stop populism. It appeals to the uneducated gut rather than the educated brain and stimulates areas of the brain that no other emotion stimulates.

We are seeing it again in this country. We have a "let's hate tertiary education (degrees) once again. The government uses this to put forward a case for in-work training.

But there is already a well supported case for in-work training so why start a hate campaign against degrees?

It all, as it does with Trump, come down to covering their tracks. And that comes down to how they have used and want to use the countries money. Wool is very cleverly pulled over people's eyes and "hate" is the tool for doing it.

DAR I know several youngsters who have degrees in certain subjects who then can’t get a job and leave university with a massive debt hanging round their necks. We don’t need a hate campaign against degrees but we do need a reality check. Schools encourage youngsters to go to university but it isn’t for everyone. One lad I know gave up his place as an electrician apprentice to go to university at his school’s insistence. He hated it and left. He then reapplied for the apprenticeship having lost a year and is now happily working as an electrician. We need better understanding.

The Government know exactly what has happened and I agree a proper factual reality check would be good. I'll start it:

1. Degrees are not just about earnings.
2. Repayments should be called what they are. A tax not a debt.
3. Some courses are not up to the standard required. That should be how we judge them and fund them.
4. The Government told us the Universities would be inspected by Ofsted. As far as I can see not a single University has been. (Happy to be corrected). This is the responsibility of government.
5. Government have created the anger about degrees because they know the debt will never be completely repaid; it was designed that way to help poorer people. The changes, as described by the government are an attack on the less well off, not sensible planning.
6. In work training is a good and necessary thing.
7. It is devastatingly underpaid by the government from the levy they take from businesses.
8. The ability to find tutors means drawing on the same pool that is so desperately having difficulty finding employees. This is making the provision of in-work training very difficult especially when it's underpaid.
9. When trained, people still are left on very low wages. We are still left with insufficient people to feel all the jobs.
10. The government has offered no real solution to these problems. If anyone is going to be angry Avalon I suggest they are angry with them.

Good points DMR

Thank you Avalon

Just to add, I have seen two training companies go out of business in the last couple of months. It would be interesting to ask the government where the training is going to come from. The government underpays in much the same way they do for care and for childcare.

In my country the rich are mostly tradies, not academics. Academics are not poor but if you want to earn a real lot , don’t go to uni, start very early ( about 16,17) in a trade, work hard and end up with a thriving business.

nanna8

In my country the rich are mostly tradies, not academics. Academics are not poor but if you want to earn a real lot , don’t go to uni, start very early ( about 16,17) in a trade, work hard and end up with a thriving business.

Same here, plumbers, electricians and carpenters can charge whatever they like really. Haven’t met a poor one yet.

nanna8

In my country the rich are mostly tradies, not academics. Academics are not poor but if you want to earn a real lot , don’t go to uni, start very early ( about 16,17) in a trade, work hard and end up with a thriving business.

You are in quite a young country nanna. The success in such countries is usually by sweat of your brow working. Generations then start to expect wealth and the rot sets in.

I think you are right DaisyAnne. A lot of building and re building is going on because many houses were originally wooden and need replacing. Plus we are growing a lot as a population ( growth first, facilities later of course !) A lot of big builders are going to the wall though, having said that.

Breaking news just now. Trump has been been indicted on at least one charge regarding the Capitol riots….

Ooops, he’s done it again…
That song came into my head when I heard the news. Indicted for the third time. It’s his own fault entirely.

MayBee70

Breaking news just now. Trump has been been indicted on at least one charge regarding the Capitol riots….

Thank you for catch up - good.

And yet they still say the Republican Party will benefit from it. Someone did a timeline of the things that Trump has done throughout the years ( even going back to his father or grandfather owning brothels) and it’s incomprehensible how this man became President. I’ll try to find it and copy it.

Finally!!! He is still waiting on the Georgia Grand Jury, but no doubt he will be indicted there was well.

After 4 indictments, if someone doesn't find SOMETHING that will take him down...

I haven't followed DeSantis closely the last couple of weeks, but I have seen headlines that his polling numbers are down as well.

I'll have to look at Pence's numbers. He is anti-abortion though, so he will struggle with more moderate conservatives.