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Fleurpepper

This is not the place Katie 59- but I am afraid this is not how it works. The badger is just a scape goat. Cattle passports and checks before moving them from one part of the country to another whenever an outbreak suspected is the way forwards. And vaccination. And very simple prevention measures, like covering feeding trough at night. And more.

Covering feed troughs at night, don’t be ridiculous cattle graze pasture and it’s impossible to keep badgers out of farmyards and buildings, however strict you are.
Cattle DO have passports and DO have to be tested before they are moved to a different farm but if infected badgers are on that farm it makes no difference

This is not the place Katie 59- but I am afraid this is not how it works. The badger is just a scape goat. Cattle passports and checks before moving them from one part of the country to another whenever an outbreak suspected is the way forwards. And vaccination. And very simple prevention measures, like covering feeding trough at night. And more.

There is a perfectly adequate vaccination for cattle.

The culling of badgers is unnecessary and cruel.

“So badgers are related to TB. Or rather TB in cattle have been infecting badgers, who then got the blame. They also got the blame for the movement/sales of cattle from infected areas to non-infected areas. The badger cull is a massive smokescreen.”

The facts are that TB in cattle was a big public health issue before WW2 TB was common and many deaths resulted.
TB eradication in cattle was begun and was very successful, by the 1980s very few cattle were found to be infected, in fact in some areas it was unknown.

It was always known that badgers spread TB amongst cattle so numbers were controlled just like any other pest and it was very unusual to see a badger. When the Government protected badgers they did not expect an explosion of TB, they thought the disease had been conquered, but setts became overcrowded and TB again began to spread. That mistake has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of cattle and large losses are still occurring, not to mention the cost to the taxpayer.

In 2000, a government inquiry concluded that the prion was spread through cattle that were fed meat-and-bone mix containing traces of infected brains or spinal cords. The prion then ended up in processed meat products, such as beef burgers, and entered the human food chain.

CJD was a result of lowering fo standards for feeds, feeding animals to animals, including spinal chord- if I remember rightly.

So badgers are related to TB. Or rather TB in cattle have been infecting badgers, who then got the blame. They also got the blame for the movement/sales of cattle from infected areas to non-infected areas. The badger cull is a massive smokescreen.
I'm afraid it is a subject I have been studying very seriously for over 40 years.

How that makes me pro EU and anti Brit is... is more than weird.

I think that you will find that TB spread in cattle is far more related to the movement of cattle than infection from badgers.

Fleurpepper

What did badgers have to do with CJD???

Fact is CJD was not imported into UK, but was a result of decisions made in the UK.

Correct, CJD was a result of a change in regulations that affected cattle
When laws were changed and Badgers were protected there was an increase in numbers resulting in a massive TB epidemic also affecting cattle.
Both were unexpected and cost the taxpayer many millions.

Thread drift the connection was disease and food.

Germanshepherdsmum

You’re showing your pro EU/anti Brit side fp - shades of the past.

Weird

Lost plot! How does asking about badgers make anybody anti-British?

(Think I've probably stumbled into some kind of alternative universe, where 'non sequiturs' are mandatory.)

Not at all. Facts are facts. I used the butcher's and the pub next door every Friday!

As for badgers, what have they got to do with CJD?

You’re showing your pro EU/anti Brit side fp - shades of the past.

What did badgers have to do with CJD???

Fact is CJD was not imported into UK, but was a result of decisions made in the UK.

CJD (BSE) came from relaxing the regulations lowering the temperature treating meat and bone meal, just like making badgers protected an unexpected consequence of a change.

CJD came from good farms and good village butchers. One reason why British beef is still highly worrying for EU markets and why anyone who lived in the UK at the time is still not allowed to give blood as we are still a potential risk.

Living in a rural area, all the our meat comes from farm shops and is the produce of known farms. I do appreciate that this convenience isn't available to those living in urban areas, but many farm shops sell online.

My local farm doesn't have any cattle going to slaughter until late April and I am almost out of beef, so I ordered some online from an accredited Pasture for Life outlet.

I only buy meat from my butcher. Everything is sourced from local farms, high welfare standards. Some beef from the EU comes from the devastated rainforests. If anyone saw the Sky investigation into how the animals were transported thousands of miles to slaughter, enduring terrible cruelty, they wouldn’t touch it. I would rather go without meat than pay the price I do, knowing that humane standards have been applied at every stage. The same applies to eggs, though most are barn eggs now due to avian flu - but worth paying more for eggs from chickens that have the best possible life. We don’t have to eat animals or animal products.

Ever since the BSE crisis I have only bought British beef from known sources. Currently I only buy beef. which is 'Pasture for Life' certified.It means it is entirely grass fed. The hay in winter usually comes from the farm it is raised on. It is also environmentally neutral www.pastureforlife.org/research/pasture-for-life-a-solution-to-global-warming/ This meat is expensive, but I only buy mince and stewing cuts and I have halved our average meat portion size.

Here is just on of the articles on the subject. It is very concerning. One lorry was stopped and found to carry very poor quality meat coming from abroad- not at the Port, as would happen before Brexit, but on random road check. Those who want to get rid of poor quality and worse meat know that there are NO checks currently for imports into the UK and are having a field day!

So much for getting back control

www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/17/uk-risks-disastrous-food-scandal-lax-post-brexit-border-controls-nfu-chief-minette-batters

No-one has died, but the lack of checks for meat imports, from the EU or beyond, at our ports, etc, is of huge concern. Checks have not been implemented by UK as they know it would make food shortages and bottle necks much much worse.

Anything can come in- and the Farming Associations have warned of a) competition from cheap imports, but much much worse, poor quality meat and the massive risk of importing diseases like Foot and Mouth, and worse.

Many years ago I was warned by a family of Butchers never to buy cheap minced beef. Always steak mince. They said that even then 40+ years ago Many butchers bought a box of odds and ends from Argentina and minced it.
Maybe I am fussy but I like to see the country of origin on the packet and buy British beef.
My mother who was in catering used to tell us all the scams producers got up to adulterate their products and make them go further.
I have had Shigella Far Eastern dysentery and would not wish it on my worst enemy, that was not from food though, but from holding a very dirty hand and then forgetting to wash mine. It does make me cautious and at a slight smell, I throw things out.

No one in the UK has died as a result of this scandal, but they have in the near past - and of course not all cases food poisoning causing deaths hits the headlines. It has here because the manufacturer was so grossly negligent over such a long period of time.

As far as I’m aware nobody has died in the uk, unlike Germany.

www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/contaminated-meat-scandal-exposes-germanys-food-safety-flaws/

M0nica

This story was broken on the front page of the Daily Telegraph a day earlier.

It seems this fraud might have been going on for over a decade, so nothing to do with Brexit.

Remind me, how many years since Brexit??

It was allowed to hide behind it and all the hubris.

I do not read the Daily Telegraph either Maizie but the BBC News site has the front pages of all the papers available in one item, so I can click on that and read the front page of all the papers in one go. This is how I saw the article on the Telegraph's front page. Now had it been on page 2.........