Rotten pork

The farmer from which I buy also advocates eating less meat, as he is concerned as I am about the environment.

He is saying all the things you want to hear.

WW

Please don’t cut and paste marketing propaganda

Not that we have either very often, but I only ever buy pork or gammon - strictly U.K. born and bred - from Waitrose or M&S - I don’t trust any other supermarket’s pork. Most of it in Asda, where I do most of my other shopping, is Danish, Dutch or German - it’s cheaper for a reason, and I don’t suppose I need to spell out what that reason is.

I have googled the information and have emailed the farmer. Thank you for pointing this out as my primary concern is the welfare of the animal.

I will await his reply, then do further research. If I am not satisfied, I will find an alternative source - but it will always be organic free range grass fed.

If I can’t satisfy myself then I shall consider vegetarian but I will never, ever buy meat that has been factory farmed, the cruelty is too much and imo the scandal is far worse than that experienced by the animals produced by my current supplier.

I have been looking at some local producers. Quite a choice of organic grass fed farmers.

That estate is organic farming on an industrial scale they have 7 farms over thousands of acres, they also have many diversified businesses and a large property portfolio.

As with many other organic producers you start with a large fortune.

I don’t care how they started or how much fortune they have. My concern is for the animal and environmental welfare.

If they can produce meat to the standard I require and look after the environment to the standard necessary then I am satisfied.

There are always detractors just like there are detractors of Knepp near me. I have seen the result with my own eyes and am an enthusiastic supporter of their approach to the environment and animal welfare. Walking through countryside that is managed sustainably and organically is a joy.

I will let you know about their reply. I did ask how the animals were killed and unless they were downright lying I was very satisfied with their reply.

Katie59

That estate is organic farming on an industrial scale they have 7 farms over thousands of acres, they also have many diversified businesses and a large property portfolio.

As with many other organic producers you start with a large fortune.

So?

Whitewavemark2 I don’t care how they started or how much fortune they have. My concern is for the animal and environmental welfare.

Agreed

What money others invest is really not pertinent.

Knepp looks a good alternative, but only sells beef, pork or venison - that is because of the way they are re-wilding and managing the land.

It is glorious leading up to summer from this time of year.

Knepp Castle another large fortune selling organic as a hobby

Yes but I can experience the benefits to wildlife and flora every day. Whatever your views on wealthy landowners, if they do good with what they’ve got I will support them. I have watched the change over the years and it is absolutely astonishing. The animals “manage” the land the result is huge biodiversity.

Katie59

Knepp Castle another large fortune selling organic as a hobby

So?

Isn’t it better for wealthy landowners to do some good with their land rather than just sitting on it? The King has done very positive things with Sandringham since taking over its management a few years ago. How very insulting to say that landowners who produce organic meat and other food are doing it as a hobby. Should they indulge in factory farming instead? I’m sure that would make more money.

Insulting, well they couldn’t do it unless they had a lot of other income because they are certainly not making money out of it.
My main objection is the way that the organic movement rubbishes conventional farming yet they are only 2% of the indigenous food we eat in the UK.

WW2 cut and pasted a whole advert lauding organic venison when almost all venison is free roaming, welfare is no better in an organic system because there have been incidents on organic farms

Are you seriously suggesting that welfare is no better in organic than factory farming?

Katie59

Insulting, well they couldn’t do it unless they had a lot of other income because they are certainly not making money out of it.
My main objection is the way that the organic movement rubbishes conventional farming yet they are only 2% of the indigenous food we eat in the UK.

WW2 cut and pasted a whole advert lauding organic venison when almost all venison is free roaming, welfare is no better in an organic system because there have been incidents on organic farms

Well, it's not insulting to use ones income on organic sustainable farming. Who are you to say what other do with their money?

Germanshepherdsmum

Are you seriously suggesting that welfare is no better in organic than factory farming?

Many of the Organic farms ARE industrial operations

We do have one genuine organic farm that has a farm shop in this county, it’s at the opposite end of the county and I don’t know them personally. They have a small dairy herd and fatten beef and sheep, I’m going that way tomorrow morning I’ll call in.

Close to me the farm shops don’t sell organic meat, they do sell quality meat conventionally reared, trying to stock both probably would not work.

Well regardless, what I do know is that factory farming is not the way I would want any animal to be treated. In some cases it is cruel in the extreme, denying a sentient being its natural existence and right to live without fear or pain. I cannot be part of that.

I have a choice and try to exercise it as best I can.

Others seemingly choose to ignore or give no thought to the animals existence before death, and that is their choice.

What I do know is that the product I eat from my choice of organic farmer is far superior to anything I have ever eaten from an animal conventionally reared. Those guests who sit at my table always comment without knowing that it is organic grass fed free range.

The proof is in the pudding as it were.

Katie the industrial operations you mention are not factory farming of animals.

Apparently we don’t have an organic farm shop in this county, the farm I found is an online seller but the website doesn’t work so I guess they’ve given up, so the closest organic outlet is Daylesford.

I did visit with a friend last summer, we did feel outclassed, my Toyota did look out of place amongst the Range Rovers and Porsches. We did have a coffee and cake but the organic meat and produce was 3 and 4 times supermarket prices so my purse stayed in my pocket. It was obviously the place to be “seen” amongst the Cotswold set, as we left the boss arrived in the JCB helicopter, so they are not going to be short of cash anytime soon.

If anyone is gullible enough to believe that there is a significant difference between conventional and organic food they deserve to pay 4 times the price as a penalty, if you don’t like what Tesco stock, your local farm shop has a range of alternatives at a modest premium, it will be red tractor approved.

What I especially object to is the way that organic producers “rubbish” everyone else and they are the only ones that care, it’s not true everyone cares.

What I do know is that the product I eat from my choice of organic farmer is far superior to anything I have ever eaten from an animal conventionally reared. Those guests who sit at my table always comment without knowing that it is organic grass fed free range.

I’m sure you enjoy the kudos of telling them it’s organic from Cxxxxxx Farm hoping they havn’t read the newspaper reports and reviews on that establishment

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Blimey katy59 your classism and sheer unpleasant post says it all I think!

And for what it is worth - of course I don’t waffle on about where I buy my food - my guests would think it a bit strange if I did. I take their compliments with good grace and carry on talking about more interesting stuff.