Rotten pork

Or dairy products?

Everybody who buys factory farmed food fuels the demand for it.
Perhaps you should consult a nutritionist. Btw I didn’t only mention vegan, I mentioned vegetarian as well - and fish.

growstuff

Germanshepherdsmum

If ‘standard’ chicken and pork are, as I think likely, factory farmed, I would rather not eat them. I only buy free range (even for my dog). Meat isn’t essential to a healthy human diet.

So what low carb unprocessed food would you suggest as an alternative for adequate protein and calories?

Nuts, tofu, pulses, chickpeas (garbanzos), lentils, nut butters, oat milk, spinach, kale, avocado, mushrooms.

If vegetarian add: eggs, cheese, dairy.

If pescatarian add: salmon or any other tolerable fish.

To tolerate fish make sweet red chili sauce, pesto, mint cilantro chutney.

All contain carbs Norah!

And how many mushrooms would I have to eat to get adequate energy!

I don't eat tofu anyway.

PS. Salmon is expensive.

Meat is the most efficient way of obtaining protein without carbs.

PS. I don't need to "tolerate" fish - I like it as it is, but it's expensive.

PPS. Eggs, cheese, milk and yoghurt have all rocketed in price recently.

Until a few months ago, my weekly food budget was £20 and I stuck to it rigidly. I aim to eat no more than 50g of carbs a day and usually keep to my limit. That's about 20% of the amount most adults eat, so I have to get my energy from protein and healthy fats. Most veggie diets are high in pasta, rice, bread, pastry, etc, none of which I eat except on the odd occasion.

Incidentally, I said "unprocessed". Tofu and oat milk are highly processed.

Germanshepherdsmum

Everybody who buys factory farmed food fuels the demand for it.
Perhaps you should consult a nutritionist. Btw I didn’t only mention vegan, I mentioned vegetarian as well - and fish.

I don't need to consult a nutritionist. I already know it's very difficult and that there are no real answers.

So what does your diet consist of?

Buy British every time! Simples.

Buying British is no guarantee that the animals haven’t been treated cruelly. If only it were ‘Simples’. You need to educate yourself about the realities of the treatment of farm animals in the UK ExDancer. I wish it were so ‘Simples’. The reality is very unpleasant.

growstuff

Incidentally, I said "unprocessed". Tofu and oat milk are highly processed.

I make oat milk. Not at all processed.

IDK if tofu is processed, but we love it.

I shall look for recipes. Maybe I could make it, IDK.

ExDancer, what do you think buying British guarantees? Do you have no idea of the cruelty involved in factory farming in UK? Buying British is meaningless.

Norah

growstuff

Incidentally, I said "unprocessed". Tofu and oat milk are highly processed.

I make oat milk. Not at all processed.

IDK if tofu is processed, but we love it.

I shall look for recipes. Maybe I could make it, IDK.

Don't waste your time Norah. I thoroughly dislike tofu and don't eat oats.

I need calories without carbs. You haven't made any suggestions.

Incidentally, you're missing the point. I shouldn't have to explain why I eat meat, nor should anybody else. The issue is that I have a right to know that any meat I buy is going to be safe without having to pay any kind of premium for it.

Germanshepherdsmum

So what does your diet consist of?

Veg, some fruit, dairy, meat, nuts, seeds.

and fish.

Don’t you care for the welfare of the animals which produce the meat you eat, or do you only care that the meat is safe to eat?

Germanshepherdsmum

Don’t you care for the welfare of the animals which produce the meat you eat, or do you only care that the meat is safe to eat?

Good question.

Decent animal treatment? Safe procedures and policies?

How about the quality of the protein itself?

Sustainable farming? Lower carbon footprint farming? Stewardship of the Earth's reasources?

My husband works on sustainability, less land erosion, land quality, water use - all parts to agro-engineering. Animals and plants must coexist.

Germanshepherdsmum

Don’t you care for the welfare of the animals which produce the meat you eat, or do you only care that the meat is safe to eat?

What's that got to do with rotten pork? I care that the food I buy is safe to eat.

Don't you care about other human beings? It often seems from your posts that you don't. Don't try to guilt-trip and gaslight me!

I'll eat what contributes to my health and I can afford. Now don't fall off your high horse - have a nice day!

Norah

Germanshepherdsmum

Don’t you care for the welfare of the animals which produce the meat you eat, or do you only care that the meat is safe to eat?

Good question.

Decent animal treatment? Safe procedures and policies?

How about the quality of the protein itself?

Sustainable farming? Lower carbon footprint farming? Stewardship of the Earth's reasources?

My husband works on sustainability, less land erosion, land quality, water use - all parts to agro-engineering. Animals and plants must coexist.

What's that got to do with rotten pork?

Wouldn’t it smell if it was rotten ? Wouldn’t people kind of notice that ? Once, many years ago when we lived in Tasmania, I bought some ‘ steak’ which, after the first mouthful, I knew was not beef. Horse meat or possibly kangaroo but you could spot it a mile off. Never went to that butcher again and you can bet I spread the word!

I guess it depends in what way it's "rotten". If it's been infected with some kind of virus or bacteria, it wouldn't necessarily smell. Moreover, I suspect people wouldn't notice a strange smell, if it's been processed and made into sausages or pies with flavourings added.

Actually growstuff I care far more for animals for human beings. I have yet to meet a rude animal.

Currently, we have NO idea whatsoever of what is coming into the country. There are NO checks- apart from a few by side of MWay checks on a minuscule %, which have shown that pretty bad stuff is coming in, including meat. The gangs and maffia from Europe and beyond know this - and are having a field day.

It is very likely that there will be an outbreak of something very nasty due to this- which would be the final strike on our farming and meat industry.

So when will checks happen, October, January - and how will the system cope as nothing is ready. Those bottle necks currently are without proper checks on goods and produce!

Well explained here

youtu.be/C4cUkdh4eWY

Surely thoroughly cooking meat and eating it while it is still hot will kill any pathogens, or all but a very few.

I think it is a question, of meat, not just starting to go off but also being stored and handled in unsnitary conditions, meat dropped on the floor and picked up and put back on the line, workers not obeying basic hygiene rulles, meat being stored in unrefrigerated containers etc etc.

there is far more to food being ;unfit for human consumption' tha simply being rotten and smelling. Food that is unfit for human consumption and is then chilled/frozen and processed will not smell or show signs of contamination.