Gary Lineker's tweet

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

LizzieDrip

Take away the need for the smugglers services and you get rid of the smugglers.

Absolutely WW2! If it were possible for people to apply for asylum before landing on UK soil, and for that application to be processed in a timely manner, there would be no small boats / people smugglers / gangs etc. Simple!

Absolutely.

So you’ve got to wonder what the government’s real agenda is haven’t you.

I am interested to see what the Labour Government will do if they get into Government as predicted.

Open Borders has has been mentioned, I couldn’t support that policy.

Who mentioned this, GrannyGravy?

Many on the far left of the Labour Party are in favour of open borders, as has been reported in the media (google is your friend)

Kier Starmer has shuffled on the immigration issue, including a points based system.

Will he have to placate the far left of his party and their supporters in the same way that Conservative leaders allegedly appear to placate the ERG.

Starmer does not placate the far left. Why do you think there is so much screeching from the far left GN’s, far from it - he has an iron discipline.

He has an iron discipline?

What on earth does that mean?

MayBee70

DD says it was the failure of the Weimar Republic that was very forward thinking that paved the way for Hitler. Without looking it up I think it was the economic measures that we put in Germany because if WWI that resulted in its failure.

That’s right.

‘Reparations’

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD I know you dislike being disagreed with however, I ^ googled and read various articles and numerous were quoting members of the Labour Party who are in favour of open borders.

That is true, just as there are Tory MPs who openly support the government policy, and equally, dissenters. Open borders are not Labour party policy though GrannyGravy13, I think that’s the material point.

Zoejory

He has an iron discipline?

What on earth does that mean?

Tanya Bueltmann

To end allow me to emphasise the bottom line:

Gary Lineker is not the story.
His comment is not the story.

The story is why the UK Government continue to make the policy choices made even though we know they won’t work, and why they choose to use the language they use.

Oh sorry wrong quote. I had thought to reply, then thought better if it😄

A bit more history

The German economy, supported by US loans under the Dawes Plan was starting to recover and people weren't taking too much notice of politics. However, the Wall Street crash in 1929 hampered the economic aid and, followed by the Great Depression brought the German economy to a halt.
Hitler and the Nazis began to loudly criticize the govt and the Communist Party began calling for a revolution. This scared the business leaders and they began to support the Nazi Party.

The Dawes Plan was the negotiated settlement of how much and when Germany would pay in reparations.

Casdon

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD I know you dislike being disagreed with however, I ^ googled and read various articles and numerous were quoting members of the Labour Party who are in favour of open borders.

That is true, just as there are Tory MPs who openly support the government policy, and equally, dissenters. Open borders are not Labour party policy though GrannyGravy13, I think that’s the material point.

I haven’t said that open borders is a Labour Party Policy, just that some in the party are allegedly pro open borders.

I am looking forward to seeing/hearing a detailed plan on immigration from the Labour Party.

I’m now enjoying Lineker’s gentle dig at Mordaunt’s weird speech.

Siope

I’m now enjoying Lineker’s gentle dig at Mordaunt’s weird speech.

😄 this one?

Thank you for mentioning me in your clumsy analogy. I’m just happy to have been better in the 6 yard box than you are at the dispatch box. Best wishes.

Lineker and all those that talk about concentration camps and Nazis are talking rubbish and way out of line. The plan is to use guarded military barracks to house single men, until their fate can be decided.

They are not going to be starved or worked to death just held in detention and illegals sent home, that sounds entirely reasonable to me.

Every single asylum seeker is to be detained, including those trafficked for slavery or sex or both, not just young men.

I would refer you to the definition of an internment/concentration camp. It ended with death but certainly didn’t start out like that.

However, Lineker was not talking about the camps, he was talking about the rhetoric being used by Braverman and its similarity to the rhetoric being used by the fascists in the 20s and 30s.

I actually think the time has come for GL to stand down and stand for election as an MP.He is worth about 30 million so financial very secure.That way can then stand for election as an MP.He is obviously very passionate about many issueI don't follow football or watch Match of the Day.Does anyone know if he's ever spoken out as often about women in sport and trans issues ?

Katie59

Lineker and all those that talk about concentration camps and Nazis are talking rubbish and way out of line. The plan is to use guarded military barracks to house single men, until their fate can be decided.

They are not going to be starved or worked to death just held in detention and illegals sent home, that sounds entirely reasonable to me.

Concentration camps are exactly what you describe, Katie59. Places where a lot of people who aren't wanted elsewhere are kept, under guard...

How the regime treats those in the camps is an entirely different matter.

The discourse we are hearing from our government is much the same as the discourse of fascists in the 1930s. Not just Germany but Spain and Italy, too. They had fascist regimes as well. Franco and Mussolini...

If you think our government is nice and liberal and democratic you are sadly mistaken. It is authoritarian and controlling and all this talk of 'what the people want' is frightening. Plus its disregard for the law and its demonisation of lawyers...

MaizieD

Katie59

Lineker and all those that talk about concentration camps and Nazis are talking rubbish and way out of line. The plan is to use guarded military barracks to house single men, until their fate can be decided.

They are not going to be starved or worked to death just held in detention and illegals sent home, that sounds entirely reasonable to me.

Concentration camps are exactly what you describe, Katie59. Places where a lot of people who aren't wanted elsewhere are kept, under guard...

How the regime treats those in the camps is an entirely different matter.

The discourse we are hearing from our government is much the same as the discourse of fascists in the 1930s. Not just Germany but Spain and Italy, too. They had fascist regimes as well. Franco and Mussolini...

If you think our government is nice and liberal and democratic you are sadly mistaken. It is authoritarian and controlling and all this talk of 'what the people want' is frightening. Plus its disregard for the law and its demonisation of lawyers...

Not to mention the conditions in the camps that exist already. Diptheria and polio outbreaks. Prison-like conditions. Not exaggeration. OK, so not Nauru but not good either.

Dinahmo

A bit more history

The German economy, supported by US loans under the Dawes Plan was starting to recover and people weren't taking too much notice of politics. However, the Wall Street crash in 1929 hampered the economic aid and, followed by the Great Depression brought the German economy to a halt.
Hitler and the Nazis began to loudly criticize the govt and the Communist Party began calling for a revolution. This scared the business leaders and they began to support the Nazi Party.

The Dawes Plan was the negotiated settlement of how much and when Germany would pay in reparations.

Didn't they secretly burn down the Reichstag and blame it on the Communists and a woman called Rosa Luxemburg as well? O-level history is getting a bit rusty

Lineker didn't mention concentration camps. He mentioned the rhetoric of 1930s Germany, which othered and dehumanised vulnerable minority groups. That is where the seeds of the later horrors were planted.

He was right.

growstuff

Lineker didn't mention concentration camps. He mentioned the rhetoric of 1930s Germany, which othered and dehumanised vulnerable minority groups. That is where the seeds of the later horrors were planted.

He was right.

I think that concentration camps was me or Wwmk2.

For which, no apology.

Perhaps people might watch this extract of a Ch 4 interview with Prof. Timothy Snyder in 2019.

Lineker is not saying anything new

twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1181893731114524672

GrannyGravy13

Dinahmo

GrannyGravy13

More thinking

GL is followed by thousands if not millions of football followers who may or may not be politically savvy

He could be influencing their votes come election day, not sure that following a football pundits views is how I wish U.K. elections to be won/lost.

Isn't that what happened during the run up to the Brexit referendum? Many people who weren't politically savvy sounding off.

Yes, and it doesn’t appear that a lesson has been learnt.

Isn't it the case that people who aren't "politically savvy sounding off" is part of our freedom of speech or are you suggesting we measure their knowledge in any area they chose to speak out on before we allow them to say anything?

That would be the death of Gransnet.

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

LizzieDrip

Take away the need for the smugglers services and you get rid of the smugglers.

Absolutely WW2! If it were possible for people to apply for asylum before landing on UK soil, and for that application to be processed in a timely manner, there would be no small boats / people smugglers / gangs etc. Simple!

Absolutely.

So you’ve got to wonder what the government’s real agenda is haven’t you.

I am interested to see what the Labour Government will do if they get into Government as predicted.

Open Borders has has been mentioned, I couldn’t support that policy.

'Open Borders' is a lie being promulgated by the tory party, GG13. I am really surprised that you, of all people, has fallen for, and is repeating it.

I thought Starmer had spoken about "open boarders" previously saying that this was not what Labour backed?

Whitewavemark2

Oh sorry wrong quote. I had thought to reply, then thought better if it😄

It's a very reasoned and reasonable quote though.

Always thought Lineker was a bit of a twat. But very happy to find he has a social conscience.
Apparently he is getting lots of support on Twitter.
Go Gary!!!

Do any of you remember the Andrew Mollo/Kevin Brownlow film made in 1964 called "It happened here".

It's set in an alternative universe where Hitler's Third Reich had won the war after Dunkirk and Britain is under martial law. It is set in 1945 in a typical English village with the squire in the big house, the vicar in the vicarage, a post office and a pub, a local doctor and so on. It's about partisans and collaborators and it is quite shocking (I thought so when I first saw it) because it was so easy to imagine that it could have happened. It was filmed in black and white which adds to the atmosphere and time and and place.

I would be going too far if I thought that Britain would ever be under martial law but it is frightening what the govt are doing as regards the laws against demonstrations, voting ID's and so on, in addition to the rhetoric against refugees. They are introducing measures which curtail our freedoms, bit by bit and there's nothing we or the opposition can do about it whilst the govt has a large majority.

DaisyAnne

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

LizzieDrip

Take away the need for the smugglers services and you get rid of the smugglers.

Absolutely WW2! If it were possible for people to apply for asylum before landing on UK soil, and for that application to be processed in a timely manner, there would be no small boats / people smugglers / gangs etc. Simple!

Absolutely.

So you’ve got to wonder what the government’s real agenda is haven’t you.

I am interested to see what the Labour Government will do if they get into Government as predicted.

Open Borders has has been mentioned, I couldn’t support that policy.

'Open Borders' is a lie being promulgated by the tory party, GG13. I am really surprised that you, of all people, has fallen for, and is repeating it.

I thought Starmer had spoken about "open boarders" previously saying that this was not what Labour backed?

He has, see CBI conference reports from last autumn. I think he is very wise in not producing a detailed policy now, the government will be hoist by their own petard on this issue.