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King Charles shocking and disloyal book exposing royal secrets and attacking his family

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GagaJo Sat 07-Jan-23 10:13:28

AKA, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

It’s a story that, for 38 years, people have not been able to get enough of. But the release of SPARE, despite its promise of “raw, unflinching honesty,” has also been met by huge criticism from the same people rushing to click on or write stories about him.

The dramatic pearl clutching would have you believe that this is, to borrow a cliche from the royal reporting dictionary, an unprecedented moment for the House of Windsor. One of the Royal Family’s very own breaking their (questionable) “never complain, never explain” mantra to share private stories that supposedly should have been taken to the grave.

But short-term memory loss will do that to you, because Harry is far from the first senior royal to open up like this. In fact, he only needed to look at the actions of his own father (and mother) for a set example.

Many forget that our current Head of State did exactly the same.

As a man who felt so misunderstood during the breakdown of his marriage and his journey to the throne, Charles turned to BBC journalist Jonathan Dimbleby in 1994 to write a once-in-a-lifetime biography on his life so he could be better understood. Sound familiar?

Just like Harry’s ghostwriter J.R Moehringer, the then Prince of Wales spent countless hours sitting down for interviews with Dimbleby, as well as providing access to his friends and aides, and opening up his private archives of 10,000 private letters, journals and diaries.

The result was a tome that offered a deeply intimate look at Charles like never before. The story of an heir's emotionally repressed childhood, his “detached” and often absent mother who was too “preoccupied” with her career to show warmth, and a capricious, judgmental father who just wanted his son to grow up to be a thicker-skinned, aggressive leader.

Writing about both books, a New York Times critic said at the time that each biography painted pictures of “hapless victims — victims, for all their wealth and glamour, of emotionally deprived childhoods, a voracious press, unfortunate circumstances and duplicitous friends”.

For Charles, the negative response from the British press and public was intense. Accused of ferociously attacking his family and disgracing the monarchy, newspaper polls and opinion pieces declared him unfit to be king and some journalists even suggested he should be stripped of his titles. (Sounds familiar again?).

But there have been no regrets about sharing his story, sources have told me in more recent years. If he didn’t do it then, he would have had to forever deal with the fact that only tabloids, newspapers and unauthorised biographers told his story in their words.

uk.news.yahoo.com/harry-book-stop-pretending-shock-following-charles-footsteps-omid-scobie-115905887.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAD6vgibNPVCxJLtCVixLM2a2XhHQvkS0V_gy4VZol9d-s4ELdm6YLBNHUI4VWh_QUepyBufgLYtl6ikcJiyw7LglwbBLqhJWbAqktjoEdprq5PMx87fqJZor3RnEHP1slXIbCgWe6qXaMXCcaJ68gTpZUhcn4r4CI6KxKWf2ZGgC

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GagaJo Sun 08-Jan-23 17:28:34

lemsip

GagaJo

Charles has very carefully (has a lot of power obviously) suppressed the TV interview he did. The only bits of it in the public domain are short clips. One report I read said that he had the original himself, locked in a safe in his possession.

all on you tube.. ot suppressed at all
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB9sICqZTfU

alsohttps://www.radiotimes.com/tv/drama/charles-interview-jonathan-dimbleby-the-crown/

So, as I said, 'short clips' are all that is available.

The whole thing, as I said is not available.

Prove me wrong by all means. But you haven't done that yet.

icanhandthemback Sun 08-Jan-23 17:37:43

Callistemon21

^Should that be expected of them?^

What? confused

Their jobs? He in the RAF at that time? You're expected to do your duty in the RAF.

I was talking about keeping their heads down and letting the press write pretty much what they like. Of course he should have been doing his job in the RAF and he did where was allowed.

OnwardandUpward Sun 08-Jan-23 17:40:50

Wearing the cufflinks from Camilla on his honeymoon is really disrespectful and distasteful behaviour. It seems that he was constantly reminded of her and not giving his marriage the start and chance it needed from the beginning.

WellsRose Sun 08-Jan-23 17:58:32

Members of The Royal Family keeping a dignified silence doesn't help members of the public fall foul of the press such as Christopher Jeffries and The Dowler family. They make peoples' lives a misery but the Royal Family know that the press would turn n them as they have with Harry. I don't care if Harry's done it for selfish reasons, it still took guts to do it.

Smileless2012 Mon 09-Jan-23 19:18:24

But he hasn't done it as a courageous act WellsRose, he's done it for money.

Callistemon21 Mon 09-Jan-23 19:24:38

OnwardandUpward

Wearing the cufflinks from Camilla on his honeymoon is really disrespectful and distasteful behaviour. It seems that he was constantly reminded of her and not giving his marriage the start and chance it needed from the beginning.

I do think he tried. It must have been heartrending, an arranged marriage when he loved someone else.

Diana was too young and perhaps too starstruck to realise but I doubt that it was easy being married to her.
A man who loved the country married to a girl who hated the countryside, even without being in the spotlight constantly and the added dimension of being part of the Royal Family. She knew the family, grew up alongside them but being married to the Prince of Wales was quite different.

I felt sorry for them both.

maddyone Mon 09-Jan-23 19:52:21

How on earth does anyone know that the original complete recording of the Charles interview is unavailable because Charles has it locked away somewhere? The answer to this is that no one does know that! It’s speculation, rumour or whatever. No one on Gransnet knows that as a fact! However would anyone know it as a fact?

I imagine it will never be shown again now Charles is king.

OnwardandUpward Mon 09-Jan-23 19:56:30

Exactly Smileless, for the 30 pieces of silver.

Yes, it must have been incredibly difficult doing your duty and marrying a young fertile girl who probably didn't share his interests and was a lot younger.

In hindsight it might have been better to walk away from the RF and marry Camilla- but, then W&H would not be here- and at that time he may have been concerned that the relationship with C&C may not have lasted. Difficult choices and difficult consequences.

GagaJo Mon 09-Jan-23 21:38:51

maddyone

How on earth does anyone know that the original complete recording of the Charles interview is unavailable because Charles has it locked away somewhere? The answer to this is that no one does know that! It’s speculation, rumour or whatever. No one on Gransnet knows that as a fact! However would anyone know it as a fact?

I imagine it will never be shown again now Charles is king.

I read it somewhere. If I can find the article, I'll post a link. It was quite specific about the location too. Windsor Castle.

maddyone Tue 10-Jan-23 04:40:59

It may well have been Gaga but as others have said so often, we cannot believe everything we read. If Charles said it himself as Harry is doing, and people heard it, then that’s different.
It doesn’t matter anyway because the interview was filmed and shown and is now history. I’m not interested in what Charles or Diana said so long ago, possibly others aren’t either.

maddyone Tue 10-Jan-23 05:14:26

Actually I’m not all that interested in what Harry has to say either. There are bigger issues to be concerned about.

OnwardandUpward Tue 10-Jan-23 09:13:47

When I was tucked up in my cosy bed I found it amusing that some people needed to go out at midnight just to buy Harrys book.

There are so many better uses of £14 tbh. Definitely bigger issues to worry about.

ronib Tue 10-Jan-23 14:08:23

OnwardandUpward

When I was tucked up in my cosy bed I found it amusing that some people needed to go out at midnight just to buy Harrys book.

There are so many better uses of £14 tbh. Definitely bigger issues to worry about.

How about the remaindered copies are gathered up and used November 5th at The Tower of London to start the bonfire?
Alternatively book burnings at Buckingham Palace? Salman Rushdie and all that?

Glorianny Tue 10-Jan-23 15:11:35

What book was this said about? '^He is in fact saying to the press 'this is the truth of the matter', instead of adopting the conventional attitude of the Royal Family which is to hide behind reticence and secrecy.'^
Not Harry's but his father's story.
Like father like son?
www.independent.co.uk/news/prince-charles-says-he-has-no-regrets-over-dimbleby-book-1443375.html

Glorianny Tue 10-Jan-23 15:13:10

GagaJo

maddyone

How on earth does anyone know that the original complete recording of the Charles interview is unavailable because Charles has it locked away somewhere? The answer to this is that no one does know that! It’s speculation, rumour or whatever. No one on Gransnet knows that as a fact! However would anyone know it as a fact?

I imagine it will never be shown again now Charles is king.

I read it somewhere. If I can find the article, I'll post a link. It was quite specific about the location too. Windsor Castle.

Copies of the interview can be borrowed from libraries-in the USA!!
www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a41781126/prince-charles-jonathan-dimbleby-interview-how-to-watch/

ronib Tue 10-Jan-23 15:21:08

Glorianny

What book was this said about? '^He is in fact saying to the press 'this is the truth of the matter', instead of adopting the conventional attitude of the Royal Family which is to hide behind reticence and secrecy.'^
Not Harry's but his father's story.
Like father like son?
www.independent.co.uk/news/prince-charles-says-he-has-no-regrets-over-dimbleby-book-1443375.html

Of course I meant Spare but if remaindered copies of other royal stories are available just add them to the heap!

These truths, in the shape of biography, as a means of communication to the masses are failing to hit the mark!

Given the increase in higher education opportunities in England if not Scotland, I am surprised that there’s not an accompanying leap in critical thinking……

OnwardandUpward Tue 10-Jan-23 16:44:38

Yes well, I don't think it improved Charles' image either.

ronib Tue 10-Jan-23 17:03:04

OnwardandUpward

Yes well, I don't think it improved Charles' image either.

My son pointed out the book by Megan called Revenge something about the war with the House of Windsor.
Seriously? Published last year.
Another one for the bonfire 🔥

alchemilla Tue 10-Jan-23 17:26:00

I think QE2 was lucky in a way. She was brought up at home, not sent away to boarding school, and until her uncle resigned when she was an early teenager wasn't expecting to be Queen.

The press were also less intrusive.

Interestingly for the "never complain never explain" regime, Edward VIII (as never was) wrote a ghosted autobiography in the Fifties, as did Charles and Diana.

They all told the truth as they saw it. Both Charles and Diana (her especially) seemed to have been children damaged by their parents behaviour.

Wyllow3 Tue 10-Jan-23 17:36:30

Thank you for the timely reminder, GagaJo.

Calendargirl Wed 11-Jan-23 07:23:37

The ‘Revenge’ book wasn’t by Meghan ronib, it was about her, hence ‘the war with the Windsors’.

Written by Tom Bowers? or similar name.

It was an informative read. And interesting as H&M haven’t sued him for what was written, much of it not complimentary about her.

A different ‘truth’ to their version, but I suspect far more accurate.

ronib Wed 11-Jan-23 07:28:19

That’s interesting. It’s turning into a long running soap opera and I can’t keep up. Still I think two more books by H&M still due……

lemsip Wed 11-Jan-23 08:00:33

Prince Harryhas furiously slammed down accusations that he 'boasted' about killing 25 Taliban fighters in his explosive memoir Spare - while accusing his critics of 'spinning' his words and spouting 'lies' about the revelation, which he says have put his family 'in danger'.

we heard him say the words in the interview, how can they be denied.

GagaJo Wed 11-Jan-23 08:50:58

Wyllow3

Thank you for the timely reminder, GagaJo.

Welcome, Wyllow3. Good to try to avoid being led by the nose by the MSM.

Smileless2012 Wed 11-Jan-23 09:08:28

How will he deny the fact that he couldn't have taken a 'phone call about the death of his GGM when he was at Eton, because he was at Klosters with C and W the day before she died, and there are photographs to prove it?