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King Charles shocking and disloyal book exposing royal secrets and attacking his family

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GagaJo Sat 07-Jan-23 10:13:28

AKA, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

It’s a story that, for 38 years, people have not been able to get enough of. But the release of SPARE, despite its promise of “raw, unflinching honesty,” has also been met by huge criticism from the same people rushing to click on or write stories about him.

The dramatic pearl clutching would have you believe that this is, to borrow a cliche from the royal reporting dictionary, an unprecedented moment for the House of Windsor. One of the Royal Family’s very own breaking their (questionable) “never complain, never explain” mantra to share private stories that supposedly should have been taken to the grave.

But short-term memory loss will do that to you, because Harry is far from the first senior royal to open up like this. In fact, he only needed to look at the actions of his own father (and mother) for a set example.

Many forget that our current Head of State did exactly the same.

As a man who felt so misunderstood during the breakdown of his marriage and his journey to the throne, Charles turned to BBC journalist Jonathan Dimbleby in 1994 to write a once-in-a-lifetime biography on his life so he could be better understood. Sound familiar?

Just like Harry’s ghostwriter J.R Moehringer, the then Prince of Wales spent countless hours sitting down for interviews with Dimbleby, as well as providing access to his friends and aides, and opening up his private archives of 10,000 private letters, journals and diaries.

The result was a tome that offered a deeply intimate look at Charles like never before. The story of an heir's emotionally repressed childhood, his “detached” and often absent mother who was too “preoccupied” with her career to show warmth, and a capricious, judgmental father who just wanted his son to grow up to be a thicker-skinned, aggressive leader.

Writing about both books, a New York Times critic said at the time that each biography painted pictures of “hapless victims — victims, for all their wealth and glamour, of emotionally deprived childhoods, a voracious press, unfortunate circumstances and duplicitous friends”.

For Charles, the negative response from the British press and public was intense. Accused of ferociously attacking his family and disgracing the monarchy, newspaper polls and opinion pieces declared him unfit to be king and some journalists even suggested he should be stripped of his titles. (Sounds familiar again?).

But there have been no regrets about sharing his story, sources have told me in more recent years. If he didn’t do it then, he would have had to forever deal with the fact that only tabloids, newspapers and unauthorised biographers told his story in their words.

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VioletSky Sun 08-Jan-23 12:12:43

The next big thing will come along

People will buy the book judging by how many watched the Netflix documentary

Which really isn't all that family trashing anyway

Statements do seem sensationalised if they aren't watched or read in context

So comments by those who haven't watched and won't read will also be sensationalised

Callistemon21 Sun 08-Jan-23 12:16:47

Violetsky
So comments by those who haven't watched and won't read will also be sensationalised

The power of social media - probably more than the book itself.

As I said, I think he has been ill-advised, he has probably done himself more damage than he has done to his birth family.

HousePlantQueen Sun 08-Jan-23 12:18:22

Intyeresting thread, thanks Gagajo, and I say this as someone who is sick of the multiple threads talking about H&M. Yes, memories are short, both Charles and Diana aired their dirty linen in public as they fought for popular opinion during the breakdown of their marriage; neither of them seemingly caring much for how these sordid revelations affected their young sons. Imagine being at boarding school, away from your family, and knowing that everyone knew your parents were having affairs, in Saint Diana's case, many of them. Selfish and self indulgent and seriously dysfunctional. William must find time with his in laws refreshingly different from his own childhood, and not just because they are not royalty.

icanhandthemback Sun 08-Jan-23 12:29:11

Callistemon, when I wrote Perhaps those who have had that experience can empathise with others, I did not mean that others who haven't had that experience, won't have any empathy.
Your post did sound sneery but I didn't want to accuse you of that because it is easy to interpret posts wrongly. Your later post about getting therapy makes sense but I guess it must be galling for Harry and Meghan to see all the things written about the angelic duo, William and Kate, when they have had a different experience from them. It must be equally galling for William and Kate to have to keep quiet!

lemsip Sun 08-Jan-23 13:03:03

GagaJo

Charles has very carefully (has a lot of power obviously) suppressed the TV interview he did. The only bits of it in the public domain are short clips. One report I read said that he had the original himself, locked in a safe in his possession.

all on you tube.. ot suppressed at all
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB9sICqZTfU

alsohttps://www.radiotimes.com/tv/drama/charles-interview-jonathan-dimbleby-the-crown/

Callistemon21 Sun 08-Jan-23 13:10:30

icanhandthemback

*Callistemon*, when I wrote Perhaps those who have had that experience can empathise with others, I did not mean that others who haven't had that experience, won't have any empathy.
Your post did sound sneery but I didn't want to accuse you of that because it is easy to interpret posts wrongly. Your later post about getting therapy makes sense but I guess it must be galling for Harry and Meghan to see all the things written about the angelic duo, William and Kate, when they have had a different experience from them. It must be equally galling for William and Kate to have to keep quiet!

I think William and particularly Catherine, had to run the gauntlet of adverse press for a long time, remembering many of the stories which were printed about her and her family.

What they have done is to keep their heads down and get on with what is expected of them.

The mistake that Meghan and Harry may be that they read all the "reviews" in the press which could be a normal thing to do for someone in the acting profession.
The press love nothing more than employing Tall Poppy Syndrome.
I'm sure the Palace advice would have been to ignore the press reports.

icanhandthemback Sun 08-Jan-23 13:18:59

What they have done is to keep their heads down and get on with what is expected of them.

Should that be expected of them? I think it is disgusting the way the press treat people and I am not sure why we so readily accept it.

Callistemon21 Sun 08-Jan-23 13:24:44

Should that be expected of them?

What? confused

Their jobs? He in the RAF at that time? You're expected to do your duty in the RAF.

VioletSky Sun 08-Jan-23 13:32:39

It's an unusual job

I'm lucky enough to love my job but my head will tell you, home life > job... always

Being Part of the royal family, is not just a job, it's a job 24/7 that no one had any choice over. That everything they say and do can and will be publicised along with an actual shit tonne of speculation and nonsense..

That must be easier to bear for those who feel happy and comfortable in their roles than those who don't

Those who feel happy and comfortable in their roles of course won't sabotage it

Smileless2012 Sun 08-Jan-23 13:35:44

Or seek to sabotage others who feel happy and comfortable in their roles.

VioletSky Sun 08-Jan-23 13:40:20

Speak the truth about those whò put their roles before family

Or their image

And their need for publicity and profit

Which is what I have said all along

Smileless2012 Sun 08-Jan-23 13:43:15

It seems to me that it is Harry who is exhibiting his need for publicity and profit, as well as his need to attempt to undermine and humiliate his family.

VioletSky Sun 08-Jan-23 13:44:43

This lady, now she had the right idea

And when they ostracised her, she spoke at length about it

Things need to change. This is a better kind of publicity without all the "gasp, broke royal rules" nonsense.

Change the rules

OnwardandUpward Sun 08-Jan-23 13:48:54

@VS Those who feel happy and comfortable in their roles of course won't sabotage it

@Smileless
Or seek to sabotage others who feel happy and comfortable in their roles.

Both well spoken.

Smileless2012 Sun 08-Jan-23 13:52:39

I don't hold with the old adage that there's no such thing as bad publicity. It can be bad and the publicity his book has brought Harry is an example of that.

VioletSky Sun 08-Jan-23 13:54:40

Tell that to everyone royal who has spoken out.. including Charles

OnwardandUpward Sun 08-Jan-23 13:56:31

I agree with you Smileless.

I had a young neighbour who was the middle child and was rather naughty. One day she climbed over our fence into our garden and I was shocked and she said she hoped I'd tell her mum. When I asked her why she said that the only time she gets attention is when she's naughty. I spent some time talking to her and I didn't tell her Mum. She didn't do it again.

Children think like children, but it's sad when adults still act out and seek attention.

Smileless2012 Sun 08-Jan-23 13:59:28

I'm not likely to get the opportunity but it's pretty obvious isn't it. Didn't do Charles, Diana and Andrew any favours and certainly hasn't done any for Harry either.

Smileless2012 Sun 08-Jan-23 14:00:49

it's sad when adults still act out and seek attention yes it is Onward, even more so when it's done so the entire world can see.

OnwardandUpward Sun 08-Jan-23 14:06:12

Yes and I suppose they want the whole world to see how wronged they are. Perhaps looking for validation, but probably not finding it.

I think the whole reason so many of us admire Princess Anne is for her quiet dignified strength. Who knows what she has been through, but she has never sought public validation.

Smileless2012 Sun 08-Jan-23 14:09:57

Which is probably why she gets it anyway Onwardsmile.

OnwardandUpward Sun 08-Jan-23 14:13:50

Exactly, Smileless smile

The Queen always had dignity, too. These Royal women seem to be a lot wiser than the men they are related to!

Parsley3 Sun 08-Jan-23 15:51:14

By not giving them titles, Anne made sure that her children did not have to put up with the intrusive snash that comes with being a Royal.

volver Sun 08-Jan-23 15:57:14

Sorry Parsley3 - do you think that by not having titles they somehow slide under the bar of being noticed by the press?

Glorianny Sun 08-Jan-23 16:41:32

lemsip

GagaJo

Charles has very carefully (has a lot of power obviously) suppressed the TV interview he did. The only bits of it in the public domain are short clips. One report I read said that he had the original himself, locked in a safe in his possession.

all on you tube.. ot suppressed at all
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB9sICqZTfU

alsohttps://www.radiotimes.com/tv/drama/charles-interview-jonathan-dimbleby-the-crown/

lemsip that link is to a short 1min clip of the interview not the whole thing.
I can believe that the RF have managed to suppress the interview. So many of the things they don't want the public to know about are locked away somewhere. Facts about the D of Kent's death, the wills of the RF etc. I can see a damaging interview would have to go.

Perhaps Camilla was just a friend when he married but really accepting a gift from her of cuff links with two "Cs" entwined and then wearing them on his honeymoon demonstrates a total lack of consideration for the young woman he had just married.