William Hit Harry (The Guardian)

We don't accuse friends suffering from depression as saying "poor me" - we recognise that they are ill and need help - we do not say that "poor me" is easy and dismiss them. Or at least I hope we don't.

We don't, but "poor me" is a term for people who feel self pity and wallow in it, which may be different to actual diagnosed depression.

Either way, if you've ever done CBT or other MH work, it is work and not the easy choice.

Oh, I wasn't dismissing anyone. I was just trying to say that not everyone is open to working with MH for their own wellness.
It is a fact that some people want attention, not help- because help involves changing themselves.

But, like therapists say "You can't change others, you can only change yourself and how you deal with them"

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Nanatoone

I had to share my bed with several others, it was often wet (I’m not saying who the guilty party was). Harry has no idea of what it’s like in many families even today. Many children have no bed at all. These are the reasons I dislike this man child so much. Bleating on and on and making mountains out of molehills. Grow up you selfish pair.

Hear hear Nanatoone. The constant whinging of these two as they live their life of luxury surrounded by beautiful views. Stick them in a high rise flat on the minimum wage for a month and see how they manage. I have no problem with wealthy people, royal or otherwise if they do something useful with their lives and appreciate what they have. But these two seem to do neither and just keep moaning poor me me me. They seem to think the world revolves around them and their delicate feelings. 🙉

So the Invictus games, Sentebale, Smart Works, WellChild,and many others are not useful or worthwhile? Honestly if you don't know what they are doing why not do a little research instead of just gobbling up the negative tabloid headlines.

They recently received a Ripple of Hope award from the Kennedy Human Rights foundation. If Kate and William had been given such a thing it would have been all over the TV etc. But for H&M it was barely mentioned.

Lots of us are damaged. I am damaged after being brought up with a violent, abusive, alcoholic father. My mother died when my youngest sister was 14, leaving her and my other young sister homeless.
Harry has money. He can afford the best help/therapy money can buy. Some of us do not have that privilege.

Yes, lots of us are damaged and many of us cannot access MH.
Then you have the Harry's of this world who can, but don't use it for good. He could have set up a MH charity for those people who need therapy from their (truly abusive) families.

I've long thought that the blood members of the RF have been screwed up by their damaging upbringings.
I called up a Windsor family tree, and when you click on the link back to the Hanoverians, I don't think there's a single one, in the succession, that wasn't scarred by their upbringing.

britroyals.com/windsortree.asp

Wasn’t H appointed the Wellness or Happiness Officer, or some such, of a big US company? Is he sufficiently well equipped to help others?

I believe George 111's many sons would knock seven bells out of each other, but we can never know that, no memoir by any of them was produced and of course history is always shaped by whoever is writing it.

Well they are descended from Henry 8th and he wasn't exactly normal . His answer was to cut heads off people he was annoyed with. Harry's is to try to damage people's reputations and possibly put the RF in danger.

Hatred is a terrible thing among brothers and the green giant of jealousy has taken over.

Harry does not mention what he did to get William to attack him. I would not have imagined it to happen without some provocation.

Germanshepherdsmum

Wasn’t H appointed the Wellness or Happiness Officer, or some such, of a big US company? Is he sufficiently well equipped to help others?

Good point.

Another point is that so many are telling us that William and Harry did not have a normal upbringing in a normal family, unlike the rest of us.

Can they define "normal" please?

Do they mean "average" families coping with all the problems life throws at them as best they can? Some facing more problems than others?

Or do they mean a Janet and John upbringing?

A mother who had several affairs with married men , he was 13 and in boarding school when she hit the front pages smooching Dodi Fayed and perched on a diving board .

OnwardandUpward

Well they are descended from Henry 8th and he wasn't exactly normal . His answer was to cut heads off people he was annoyed with. Harry's is to try to damage people's reputations and possibly put the RF in danger.

Hatred is a terrible thing among brothers and the green giant of jealousy has taken over.

Harry does not mention what he did to get William to attack him. I would not have imagined it to happen without some provocation.

The other day I commented on how many people who are anti Harry don't really know about the RF.

Henry VIII has no living descendants and so the RF is definitely not descended from him.

Also, interesting take on things that H must have said or done something to make W attack him. (If indeed he did attack him.)

A case of "Look what you made me do"? The cry of bullies everywhere, I believe.

I do think Harold should count his blessing he could have had Edward 1V for an older brother, instead of being chucked into the dog's bowl he' have been head first into a vat of Malmsy, necklace 'an all

Harry is not unstoppable; at some point the drip drip of tantalising tales will fizzle out, there will be no more dirty linen to dangle in front of publishers and the media, and then what? H and M do not appear to have a talent between them, and have burned their boats in this country.

If indeed he did attack him quite.

"Look what you made me do"? The cry of bullies everywhere, I believe as demonstrated in his book I think. It was because of William and Kate that we wore that Nazi uniform.

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Well, he may not be descended directly from Henry 8th (my mistake), but I do believe he's named after him as I read that Harry comes not from Harold, but from Henry.

He also has the ginger beard that Henry8th had and is similarly reckless.

Ailidh

I've long thought that the blood members of the RF have been screwed up by their damaging upbringings.
I called up a Windsor family tree, and when you click on the link back to the Hanoverians, I don't think there's a single one, in the succession, that wasn't scarred by their upbringing.

britroyals.com/windsortree.asp

The huge problems in the Royal family tree are largely forgotten about and rarely mentioned. There is a long history of alcoholism and drug addiction running through the generations. Most of the monarchs hated their eldest sons and treated them appallingly. Charles' grandfather stuttered because of that, his uncle abandoned the throne, his other uncle had a drug problem in his youth. It was the late Queen mother who began the concept of the RF being a sort of idealised but ordinary family and sold it to the British public. The amazing thing is, it is still believed.

I hadnt heard of the drug problems before, but it makes sense. So sad!

Harry and others who take drugs have had their minds altered and would like to let it be known that it's "everyone else's fault" but actually your family is only a small part that influences your behaviour:

Behaviour is affected by factors relating to the person, including:

physical factors - age, health, illness, pain, influence of a substance or medication (drugs of choice!)
personal and emotional factors - personality, beliefs, expectations, emotions, mental health
life experiences - family, culture, friends, life events
what the person needs and wants.
Behaviour is also affected by the context, including:

what is happening at the time
the environment - heat, light, noise, privacy
the response of other people, which is affected by their own physical factors, personal and emotional factors, life experiences, wants and needs.

So complicated!

If I was one of the royal family I would be most terrified of the 'royalists' , the way they speak about members of the royal family are unbelievable. It's really bizarre to watch.

He has no idea of real life. He is coming across as privileged, spoilt and sulky. He has now said that he wishes his father had given him a hug when his mother died. I would be surprised if Charles had ever been hugged (I may be wrong of course). Harry needs to take a look at the world around him. Children in this country are going hungry, never mind 'he had a bigger bed than me' or whatever.
Lots of children don't get hugged. I never was. His problems are very much 'First world problems'. I know all of our problems seem huge to us. However, I'm sure many reading the passages from his book think he should be ashamed.

A bigger bedroom maybe, but still lived in a palace. Not relatable to most people!

I was watching a programme recently which showed a charity trying to obtain beds for children in the UK who don't have a bed. Yes I know that it's all relevant. For some, if someone has a bigger diamond ring than them they would sulk. However, Harry is talking to the world and needs to think about what he is saying.

Yes he does Kate1949.

It's all so piffling and entitled, hateful nonsense that he should have kept to the therapy room.

Someone like him could do so much good, but all he does is harm.