Eddie Izzard not chosen to be Labour candidate for Sheffield Central.

Izzard was the only candidate on the shortlist not to live in Sheffield, though she insisted she was better placed to represent the constituency than a “supercharged local councillor”, because “their activism has been local and my activism has been national and international”. from the Guardian.

Congratulate the winning candidate, but then the put down, Eddie certainly retains an ego no denying that! I suppose that's why he feels able to go where he wants, depending on the whim of the day, with no concern for anybody else or their comfort.

Smileless2012

^for one thing you find disagreeable about them^ well if the one thing was his 'gender fluidity' the issue I have with that is that he's constantly 'changing' his identity; a man one day and a 'woman' the next, and what constitutes this 'change' is based on the clothes he wears.

There's more than one though isn't there. An intact male accessing female safe spaces is another.

This happened to me the other day. There was an intact male in the public loo in the theatre with his ‘minder’. She had an ID tag round her neck and he was special needs.
Thank goodness I recognised that almost immediately.
Life’s a bit of a minefield at the moment.

Izzard was the only candidate on the shortlist not to live in Sheffield, though she insisted she was better placed to represent the constituency than a “supercharged local councillor”, because “their activism has been local and my activism has been national and international” from the Guardian.

a supercharged local councillor 😲
How rude!

Nothing like bigging yourself up

The number of people having genital surgery is very small. Most transwomen retain their original genitalia, for a number of reasons. Are we now to examine transwomen to assertain what treatment they have had?

You are absolutely right Glorianny.
That fact shows that it doesn't make sense to accept 'real transwomen' into women-only places as if they are actually women, since most will have male genitalia and it's impossible to know, in any case, how real anyone's trans identity is.

You have drawn attention, elsewhere, to the high level of violence to women which is committed by their male partners i.e. trusted male people.
It doesn't make sense, therefore, to extend further trust to male strangers just because they claim to be transwomen.

FarNorth

^The number of people having genital surgery is very small. Most transwomen retain their original genitalia, for a number of reasons. Are we now to examine transwomen to assertain what treatment they have had?^

You are absolutely right Glorianny.
That fact shows that it doesn't make sense to accept 'real transwomen' into women-only places as if they are actually women, since most will have male genitalia and it's impossible to know, in any case, how real anyone's trans identity is.

You have drawn attention, elsewhere, to the high level of violence to women which is committed by their male partners i.e. trusted male people.
It doesn't make sense, therefore, to extend further trust to male strangers just because they claim to be transwomen.

Sorry FarNorth your post reads to me like someone saying the bloke you are living with is most likely to abuse you, but rather than address that and discover why and how women get into such relationships I'm going to draw attention to another person and claim they might be a threat to you, although there is very little evidence to show that.
It's a bit like claiming you have to watch the netball match in the next yard, although you 're playing tennis, because the ball might come onto the court. Maybe it will but that won't help you win the tennis match.

Glorianny Not going to address Eddie thinking wearing high heels and a dress makes him a woman, who can revert to a man by changing the dress and wearing flat shoes?

So tell me Glorianny, if we establish that facilities will be known as male and female, would you still support males using female safe spaces?

I note through all your posts, that you avoid using female, preferring to use the now corrupted word ‘woman’, to back up your support for all TW, harmful or not, but how far would your support of male liars actually go?

To me, Glorianny, it reads as 'Here is a known risk. Let's not invite another similar risk'

For example, 'We know that cars can be dangerous to pedestrians. Let's not decide to allow some cars to drive in pedestrian areas, just because their drivers really want to.'

I didn't suggest taking attention away from the original problem, just not creating another one as well.

And another trans bashing thread.

Could we not just talk about the politics of it?

Where's the trans bashing GagaJo?

GagaJo

And another trans bashing thread.

Could we not just talk about the politics of it?

Are you a Transwoman GagaJo?
Genuine question,
Ive noticed you seem to get very defensive when this particular topic rears its head. (nderstandable I suppose) if you are.
So I have wondered.

Where's the trans bashing GagaJo?

Would you support males entering female spaces if they are retitled that Glorianny?

Questions to which we are unlikely to get answers.

The people have chosen, it’s up to them. For the best.

snowberryZ

GagaJo

And another trans bashing thread.

Could we not just talk about the politics of it?

Are you a Transwoman GagaJo?
Genuine question,
Ive noticed you seem to get very defensive when this particular topic rears its head. (nderstandable I suppose) if you are.
So I have wondered.

A couple of weeks ago somebody on a trans thread said that she has always thought I was a woman but she was beginning to doubt it because of some of the views I held.

And this movement is meant to be supporting women and looking after their rights, is it?

So. GagaJo's turn now.

GagaJo

And another trans bashing thread.

Could we not just talk about the politics of it?

Feel the same as GagaJo yet another bashing thread in the end despite to O/P being specifically about a constituency in my area.

People here don't seem to get it after extensive discussions on past thread, just use it for "yet another trans thread".

Izzard was NEVER going to win we had two great local candidates here.

^And this movement is meant to be supporting women and looking after their rights, is it?
Yes, that’s right. Well done Volver, but on here anyone could actually be male or female. It could reasonably be expected that females or those claiming to be feminists, would support females in preference to males, it’s no wonder some queries arise.

Hmmmm, issues I will argue about. Trans rights, racism, gay rights, ableism, ageism, abortion, religious freedom. Basically, about equality.

I am very firmly socialist. As for the rest, I'm happy for you to draw your own conclusions.

Hmmmm, issues I will argue about. Trans rights, racism, gay rights, ableism, ageism, abortion, religious freedom.
But not female rights GJ?
It’s no wonder some queries arise-
but where is the trans bashing?

Izzard was NEVER going to win we had two great local candidates here.

At the last GE we had a Labour candidate who had been parachuted in. She didn't live in the area and was really rather clueless about local issues. At the hustings (which we went to) she had brought supporters who tried to drown out other candidates.

Someone who knows the area and all the problems people encounter is often the best person to win at a GE..

I'm an intersectional feminist. Many of the rights above are included in feminist issues.

Drop the questions MG. You've been there, done that. Got no T-shirt.

Mollygo

^And this movement is meant to be supporting women and looking after their rights, is it?
Yes, that’s right. Well done Volver, but on here anyone could actually be male or female. It could reasonably be expected that females or those claiming to be feminists, would support females in preference to males, it’s no wonder some queries arise.

I support males, females and all those in between, based on whether they are doing the right thing or not. Expecting anyone to support someone else just because of their genitals is pretty bizarre.

Yes, as I told my ex husband, this (pointing at my head/brain) isn't controlled by this (pointing at my vag).

Amazing how many think the two are totally liked.

*LINKED!!! (FFS)

Had to look it up, but what a valid term

www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2020/6/explainer-intersectional-feminism-what-it-means-and-why-it-matters

Wyllow3

Had to look it up, but what a valid term

www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2020/6/explainer-intersectional-feminism-what-it-means-and-why-it-matters

Learned it when I was at uni. And it was a lightbulb moment.