the law as it stands on sex - part 3

What a load of waffle. Females and Males and Trans people should have separate facilities and separate Sports. It's that simple. I take exception to Trans persons in female changing rooms and toilets as I'm a very private person. I have my rights, they, he, she or it have theirs. Just stop encroaching on mine.
Most Trans people just want a quiet happy life like the rest of us. I mean in all honesty what is a great Trans person doing swimming with a bunch of females half his, she or it's size.
You can insult my views til you're blue in the face, I've got better things to do than worry about it.

That's exactly it Diamond; its the very fact that, at a tme of confused emotions and sense of identity at puberty, children are being almost rail roaded into making irreversible decisions that they could regret for the rest of their lives. This is a looonnnggg way from either^allowing them to lead their best and authentic selves^ or being kind.

Hilary Cass, a former president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, has been leading a review into NHS gender identity services for children. In interim findings last month, she said children were being affected by a lack of expert agreement about the nature of gender identity problems, a “lottery” of care and long waiting lists.

Javid is said to be particularly alarmed by her finding that some non-specialist staff felt “under pressure to adopt an unquestioning affirmative approach” to transitioning and that other mental health issues were “overshadowed” when gender was raised.

“This has been a growing issue for years and it’s clear we’re not taking this seriously enough,” an ally of the health secretary said. “If you look at Hilary Cass’s interim report, the findings are deeply concerning and it’s clear from that report that we’re failing children.”

I no longer wish to engage with people who misrepresent me and my views, especially in an OP.

I think this is an important subject, that women and trans women have needs that matter both where those needs are the same and where those needs differ.

Ive been very patient in explaining my position despite assertions to the contrary and tried to find ways forward that do not infringe on anyones rights.

However I have now reached my limit.

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Chewbacca.

Good for Javid, I think sometimes in all this, people forget that children are children, and what they think they want can often change.

Teenagers are all hormones, angst and confusion anyway, added to often being under peer pressure - if they are unhappy about anything, they thrash around thinking doing a,b, or c might make them happy.

Surely anything radical, or life altering, could wait until they are old enough to make adult choices?

Hitting the report button again are we? <sigh>

Late last night I posted this extract from The Times on The previous thread. It's a huge step forward in protecting vulnerable children, who are often wrongly being given gender hormone treatment by the NHS, and set on a life long irreversible course.

The health secretary thinks the system is “failing children” and is planning an overhaul of how health service staff deal with under-18s who question their gender identity.
Javid is understood to have likened political sensitivities over gender dysphoria to the fears of racism in Rotherham over grooming gangs.

That overly affirmative approach where people just accept what a child says, almost automatically, and then start talking about things like puberty blockers — that’s not in the interest of the child at all,” the ally said.

The review has already come across a number of adults that were given these life-changing drugs as children and are now saying, ‘Why did you do that? Because that wasn’t my problem. I was sexually abused. I was being bullied,’ ” a health source said. “We need to find out how many of these people there are.”

A senior government source said Javid believes “far too many public figures have been avoiding [gender issues] for too long” but argued: “There is a militant lobby that doesn’t want a debate.”
His allies say the “toxic” discussion on gender issues makes it harder to raise questions of child welfare.
Some around him say the question has been likened to concerns he raised while home secretary about the failure to tackle child exploitation by gangs of predominantly British-^^Pakistani men in Rotherham. The senior government source said: “There is the same theme of not being afraid to tackle issues that others might prefer not to talk about.”

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I think, on some gadgets, auto-correct does put random words in, totally altering the original meaning.

My IPad does, frequently, and the problem with this forum is that there is no edit button.

It might be a good idea if they introduced that.

But, no one has to post on anything, anywhere. It's a voluntary act.?

VS I will not engage in a dishonest discussion where the very OP misrepresents me and my views. that is a very unjust and untrue accusation to make against Doodledog who quoted you
Thats exactly what was said any time anyone asked for their rights... Others complained it violated theirs. It didn't and it doesn't
and then she went on to say how transwomen insisting on using single sex facilities, and wanting the right to compete in women's sports does violate women's rights. Your It didn't and it doesn't is being refuted. You owe her an apology.

I no longer want to be part of this thread.

You can see who it was if you look back.

I also know how algorithms work and when you have successfully typed a name several times, it will come up correctly, not autocorrect to a word that doesnt exist.

As I said, I am done engaging in dishonest discussion.

The decent thing to do would be to ask for this thread to be taken down.

No one owes you their time, especially when basic respect is ignored

VioletSky

Ew.

Excuse me?

VioletSky

Oh and i saw trisher called "trasher" at the end of the last thread despite a and i being opposite ends of the keyboard so not an accident

Who would want to engage with that?

Have you not heard of autocorrect? I don’t know if you are referring to one of my posts (I doubt it because I do check), but I often find that names are ‘corrected’ to the nearest word that is recognised. As we can’t edit, there is nothing we can do. It’s one of the reasons I often use initials in posts (eg VS).

Ew.

trisher

Here's why I'm disengaging www.statista.com/statistics/623785/transgender-hate-crimes-in-england-and-wales-by-region/

Ok, and any hate crimes are too many; but [[ www.statista.com/statistics/288100/crimes-in-england-and-wales-by-police-force/ here is a list of the numbers of all crimes by force area, from the same source as your figures]].

As I don’t have a subscription I can’t see the figures, but this text is directly underneath the graph:
There were over 742 thousand crimes recorded by the Metropolitan Police in London in 2020/21, the most of any police force area in England and Wales. Greater Manchester Police reported 276 thousand crimes, while West Midland police recorded 269 thousand, making these police forces the second and third-highest in terms of crime recorded.

This shows that the number of crimes recorded as hate crimes against transpeople is a tiny proportion of crimes as a whole. I don’t say that to excuse even one of them, but to put your figures into proportion.

Oh and i saw trisher called "trasher" at the end of the last thread despite a and i being opposite ends of the keyboard so not an accident

Who would want to engage with that?

My post was about Plymouth University, and the fact that my male grandson felt uncomfortable sharing a toilet with women. Any type of woman.

He also has female classmates who don't want to share with males. Any type of male.

Nothing to do with anyone harmed - just the loss of privacy, both ways. And the fact that consultation was virtually nil.

It's not about hate - it's about a bit of common sense appearing to be sadly lacking in University leaders.?

doodledog read your OP again,

Safe spaces

Sports

All mentioned under my name despite my agreeing womens rights must be respected
from the beginning of discussions

I will not engage in a dishonest discussion where the very OP misrepresents me and my views.

Take responsibility for how you ask before you demand an answer

Tricia I wasn’t mentioning the original post, I was responding to your comment

I don’t think trans matters are a joke.
I simply agreed and explained why.

You said,^If you choose to be part of someting which drives hate crimes that is up to you. If you think you aren't contributing you are a joke.^

As I have pointed out before, what you say works equally with what you do, in the reverse direction.
Support TRA - support hate crimes.
Deny female rights, without ‘loopholes’, = supporting hate crimes by the TW who perpetuate them.

VS the easiest way to not be part of a thread is not to post. As soon as you post you have made your choice to be part of that thread.

I got the impression that the opening post on this thread (part 3), was just a continuation of the comments, and replies, made on Part 2.

This forum ends threads after x amount of posts, so a continuation thread is the only thing to do.

As with any forum no one has to post, obviously, and trying to get a thread shut down seems a little OTT.

Just don't post.

Many women are interested in this issue, and free speech, I believe, is still allowed.?

Oh, one on, VS. I quoted you directly. All I was doing was continuing a conversation that the 1000 post limit had ended prematurely. If you and trisher want to use that limit to filibuster and avoid answering awkward questions, fine, but at least own it, and don’t feign indignation?

doodledog

Your OP appears as me having said things I have said the opposite of.

As clarified to you once again by my last comment.

I will wait to see if gransnet address mine and trishers rights to have our opinions expressed as we relate them and to choose which threads we join or if I need to report it too

If you choose to be part of someting which drives hate crimes that is up to you. If you think you aren't contributing you are a joke.
I taught for many years in schools where children came in with racist ideas gleaned from misinformation fed to them by their parents of what black people did. I don't want to spend my time trying to educate adults about the unfortunate results of their negative stereotyping.

Here's why I'm disengaging www.statista.com/statistics/623785/transgender-hate-crimes-in-england-and-wales-by-region/

I was responding to the ‘it’s funny’ comment on the other thread. It’s something you often say, and I wondered what was funny this time, is all.

Is there a rule about not continuing threads, or not using a name in the OP? If so, I’m sorry, as I wasn’t aware. A few threads move onto parts 2,3,4 with no problem.