Two Years of Keir Starmer. What do we think?

Varian I agree, but if he won’t promise it before he’s elected, he won’t be allowed to do it if Labour get in.

Whilst the majority of the population want PR I'm not sure about all the members of the LP. Two of my oldest friends have been members for all the time I've known them (over 40 years) and they want to see Labour in power - full stop. Under PR they could be the most important party but not be in charge since it would be necessary to negotiate with other groups.

Everyone says they wnt some form of PR, but when there was a referendum on the subject of a change, even if the change was not perfect. Hardly anyone bothered to vote, even to vote against it. So they cannot be that bothered.

I did vote in it. How I voted I really cannot remember.

Dinahmo

Whilst the majority of the population want PR I'm not sure about all the members of the LP. Two of my oldest friends have been members for all the time I've known them (over 40 years) and they want to see Labour in power - full stop. Under PR they could be the most important party but not be in charge since it would be necessary to negotiate with other groups.

A much-anticipated motion at the Labour conference motion proposing to embrace proportional representation (PR) for future elections has been defeated as overwhelming support from local parties met opposition from mass union votes.

The motion, calling for the next Labour government to replace first past the post with a form of PR, was submitted by more than 150 constituency Labour parties (CLPs), and was the second most popular issue for the conference.

After an inconclusive show of hands in the conference hall in Brighton, a card vote showed just under 80% of CLP votes backing the motion. But the votes from affiliates – almost entirely comprising unions – were 95% opposed. The eventual result was nearly 58% against.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/27/unions-vote-down-local-labour-parties-call-to-axe-first-past-the-post

First Past the Post cheats voters out of real, meaningful representation. It favours the two major parties and concentrates politicians’ attention on the tiny minority of seats which may change hands in any given election. It allows huge swathes of the country to be ignored and silenced by a political system that is supposed to represent them.

Indeed- I have voted each and every time since 1973, knowing full well my vote would go straight into the bin! Not very encouraging.

I think that FPTP has survived so long in this country, when all over the world other countries chose to become democracies by changing to proportional representation, is because of the hold of the media, who just love the confrontational drama of two party politics.

Politics has to become more than a branch of entertainment.

James Oh Brien
The most important thing to remember now is that, no matter how bad Johnson is proved to be, the people most in need of abuse from the ‘Left’ are Labour voters who explained in epic & painstaking, evidence-based detail why Jeremy Corbyn never had a hope in hell of beating him.

“Rule of law in jeopardy, NHS under mortal threat, freedom of expression being criminalised, police apparently in Boris Johnson’s pocket, Brexit proving to be everything we predicted, Labour polling better than it has in yonks. But please, keep attacking those awful ‘centrists’.”

More payouts from Labour

Whitewavemark2

“Rule of law in jeopardy, NHS under mortal threat, freedom of expression being criminalised, police apparently in Boris Johnson’s pocket, Brexit proving to be everything we predicted, Labour polling better than it has in yonks. But please, keep attacking those awful ‘centrists’.”

Go white wave ???