People blocking Lifeboat Stations.

Neither is every social worker, but we don't barricade our doors against all of them.

Just deleted a response to this post because it's not worth it.

I'm trying to think of an adjective which would describe you.

21:31Summerlove

Maudi

15:19BlueBelle Let's swap some refugees for some of our work shy individuals we can throw some home grown murderers and child abusers in if you want

How do you know if these undocumented so called asylum seekers aren't murderers and child Abusers or worse.

So many comments to make about your foolish fears.

Summerlove you must be very naive if you think every so called asylum seeker is pure as the driven snow.

Great post Dickens

LilyoftheValley

Gaga Jo. Sound as selfish as the "asylum seekers" who are determined to access our welfare system by not obeying the rules and entering the country without permission! No problem with people who fill in forms and arrive here openly and don't break rules even as they arrive.

I think you should research the issue you are commenting on before you post.

"Asylum seekers" - inverted commas are not needed. Asylum seekers are a legitimate group of people.

They do NOT access our welfare system because as asylum seekers, they are not allowed to. They receive an allowance - a fixed sum depending on their needs. It is budgeted for because we are a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention. The sum they receive is roughly the same as they get in any other country which has signed up to the same Convention.

As for "filling in forms" - some of the countries they are fleeing don't even have consular services, nor forms to fill in. And if you are fleeing from barrel bombs and war - or a wilderness laid bare through famine, or a climate catastrophe with no food, no water - or persecution from your own government - where, pray, do you think these people should find these forms, if they even exist?

... and they are arriving "openly", because they are not breaking any law, they do not need permission to claim asylum.

We have a duty to either accept or reject asylum claims under the rules of the 1951 refugee convention, to which we are a signatory.

And just in case you also believe they are all living the life of luxury in 5 star hotels - pre-pandemic the accommodation they were usually housed in does not allow for social-distancing because it is cramped with bunk-beds, so the government are utilising available rooms in hotels - most of which are budget hotels. If 5 star hotels are used, it is because they have vacant rooms - probably not utilised because of the pandemic.

I'm telling you this because your comment is inflammatory and ill-informed, and you are helping to spread and fan the flames of anti-immigrant rhetoric.

LilyoftheValley

Gaga Jo. Sound as selfish as the "asylum seekers" who are determined to access our welfare system by not obeying the rules and entering the country without permission! No problem with people who fill in forms and arrive here openly and don't break rules even as they arrive.

Get used to it happening. The world is on fire and we are not suffering (yet). Unless you want a barbed wire fence and no one allowed in OR out, you won't stop it. People are desperate. Laws on pieces of paper won't stop people from trying to save their families.

Not sure GN members would approve of us banning overseas holidays!

Maudi

15:19BlueBelle Let's swap some refugees for some of our work shy individuals we can throw some home grown murderers and child abusers in if you want

How do you know if these undocumented so called asylum seekers aren't murderers and child Abusers or worse.

So many comments to make about your foolish fears.

Someone on Dungeness said that they were called out numerous times one day.

Heroes every one of them..

By the way LilyoftheValley, asylum seekers are not entitled to access our welfare system.

Deedaa

And for anyone still calling the RNLI a taxi service for illegals can I remind you that this month sees the 40th anniversary of the Penlee disaster. These men are not a "Taxi Service"

These days, the RNLI crews rarely save ships genuinely "in peril on the sea". Most rescues involve pleasure boats crewed by people who didn't check the tides or weather conditions or swimmers swept away from the coast or recovering the bodies of people who have committed suicide.

By rescuing asylum seekers, they are genuinely saving lives, which is what they sign up for. Lifeboatmen are above politics.

Deedaa

And for anyone still calling the RNLI a taxi service for illegals can I remind you that this month sees the 40th anniversary of the Penlee disaster. These men are not a "Taxi Service"

And can I also remind people that asylum seekers are not "illegals". They are legally entitled to come to the UK and claim asylum.

LilyoftheValley

Gaga Jo. Sound as selfish as the "asylum seekers" who are determined to access our welfare system by not obeying the rules and entering the country without permission! No problem with people who fill in forms and arrive here openly and don't break rules even as they arrive.

You really do have a problem with understanding!

Why did you put asylum seekers in inverted commas? Anybody is entitled under international law to come to the UK and claim asylum. They do not need permission to enter the country.

People who claim asylum have not broken any rules. They have followed international law. It really isn't difficult to understand.

Gaga Jo. Sound as selfish as the "asylum seekers" who are determined to access our welfare system by not obeying the rules and entering the country without permission! No problem with people who fill in forms and arrive here openly and don't break rules even as they arrive.

And for anyone still calling the RNLI a taxi service for illegals can I remind you that this month sees the 40th anniversary of the Penlee disaster. These men are not a "Taxi Service"

growstuff

Do you have any idea how Iraqi Kurds are treated by the Baghdad government?

Or how the Turkish government treats the Kurdish population there?

The Kurds are a people without a country, persecuted as were the Armenian Christians.

One of the asylum seekers recently was working for the British as I understand it.

The government still has not made arrangements for those Afghans who worked on their behalf and they are fearful for themselves and their families. They have every right to seek asylum here and the only way is to be here!

Do you have any idea how Iraqi Kurds are treated by the Baghdad government?

eazybee

They are 'so-called asylum seekers' because some are economic migrants.
To be given refugee status you have to prove that you were forced to leave your country of origin.
What evidence is required I do not know.

No! Wrong! They are asylum seekers if they seek asylum. The definition isn't difficult to understand.

Maudi

17:17Granniesunite

Yes very true, tell that to the people smugglers who threatened to shoot the girl who downed in French waters because she didn't want to get onto the flimsy dinghy. Was she an asylum seeker I don't think so she trying to get here to be with her fiance, how very sad.

Do you actually know what an asylum seeker is?

How do you know she wasn't being persecuted?

Oops - wrong thread, sorry.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Why is that deemed as fair when the lifeboats are doing the same?

Seriously? They, the RNLI, are not doing the same thing. Their mandate is to rescue anyone in danger in the sea. Why would they exclude migrants? Do you really expect them to just look on and leave them to drown... maybe shout something like "not my problem mate"?

The real issue is Immigration. THAT is what we should be dealing with, not expecting a rescue crew dedicated to saving lives to make political decisions about who they should or shouldn't rescue.

The legality of saving life should not be compared to the illegality of concealing illegal immigrants in your lorry.

The lifeboatmen are not doing anything like the same thing as the lorry drivers who choose to bring in people who pay for their illegal journey.
Lorry drivers are in no physical danger and they are wellpaid for risking arrest. Lifeboatmen go out in all weathers, unpaid, risking their lives, to rescue "those in peril on the sea". Without that aid, the travellers whoever they are would not survive without their help. Leaving them to drown would be the equivallent of throwing them overboard and watching them disappear beneath the waves.

This is supposed to be a Christian country, but you don't have to profess Christianity to agree with what Jesus said, when jobsworths tried to trip him up by asking "“Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?” just so that they could accuse him of breaking the religious laws against working on the day of rest. "He said to them, “Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

It is lawful to save a life on any day of the week, and whoever's life is saved. Even murderers lives are not legally taken from them.

Yes it is disgusting and they should be arrested.

Lucca

“ They put up a banner that read “Exit the 1951 UN Refugee Convention now. It’s OK to preserve white nations”.”

That is utterly hideous.

Some very inhumane women here indeed - and none of them have come to say that those banners were sick and so wrong. Why would they not? Does it mean, as I increasingly feel is the case, that they support those actions.

The whole world is watching- it may be just a few right wing extremists- but the world is watching, and judging, accordingly.

Left Wing drivel, one says. I can tell you one thing, I am not even 'left wing' whatever that means- but I am sure proud that I am not a right wing facist.

17:17Granniesunite

Yes very true, tell that to the people smugglers who threatened to shoot the girl who downed in French waters because she didn't want to get onto the flimsy dinghy. Was she an asylum seeker I don't think so she trying to get here to be with her fiance, how very sad.