Fingers crossed for Pen Farthing and Nowzad

It's not a case of believing or disbelieving the media.

What it is how the powers that be decided to release what one would assume to be a private phone call and release it to the media

So now people are up in arms about Pen Farthing instead of being up in arms about the fiasco the West has caused.

Bush, Trump, Biden, Johnson. And what about Raab? There's an article about him that states he hadn't bothered with any phone calls to Afghanistan for 6 months. The man who couldn't be bothered to leave his sun lounger.

But now all the wrath is falling on a man who has served in war torn countries. A man who has risked his life. A man who was given a Hero of the Year award. A man who loves animals.

Just awful that people can't see they are falling for propaganda put out by the government to divert attention from the real problems.

Callistemon

We've heard about the frustration of those trying to get interpreters and their families to safety for months if not longer.
It is a disgrace and perhaps explains why some are so very upset and their anger has become focussed on these animals.

And months ago they started discussing whether they could come and were still discussing it just before this chaos ensued.
Interpreters not getting through is the British Government's fault only for not acting sooner.

I thought The Guardian was the temple of all truth. It’s quoted so often on here and always as some kind of clincher in any debate as in “here’s the link” followed by a direct line to the article.

I apologise for being flippant but sometimes I despair……

Bit of diverting there Zoejory

As for this:-

Just awful that people can't see they are falling for propaganda put out by the government to divert attention from the real problems.

People on all sides of the political spectrum fall for propaganda all the time. That’s what politicians do.

Visgir1

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4a851406-082a-11ec-ab20-2ce30c912e38?shareToken=53beb9ade388d3fcb94aa1f5a6ec969d

Gosh, I wonder if the (checks) three people on this Report are looking at a little extra in their banks this month for this smear.

Whichever one put Pen's age as 57 needs to fact check.

So sorry Londonmxfitz I didn’t realise it was only ok for you to speculate and that everything you read or hear is the truth.

Bit of diverting there Zoejory

Not hugely, tickingbird

I thought it quite valid seeing as there is so much comment about this

The comments I've read in the Mail have been quite horrifying. Not a regular reader so am unsure if this is the norm.

However I did read an excellent article by Tobias Ellwood

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9937261/TOBIAS-ELLWOOD-Bidens-geo-strategic-blunder-Afghanistan.html

The world is in a dangerous situation. And it's nothing to do with Pen Farthing

if the animals had been euthanised a week or two ago, then the man and all his staff and their families could have got safely out.
obviously saving the animals as well is the ideal situation, but it look to me that the insistence on getting them out has in effect meant that the staff could not get out.
nobody wants animals to suffer or be lost, but humans must come first.
sometimes the best is the enemy of the good.

The world is in a dangerous situation. And it's nothing to do with Pen Farthing

Can’t argue with that.

Whatdayisit

Callistemon

We've heard about the frustration of those trying to get interpreters and their families to safety for months if not longer.
It is a disgrace and perhaps explains why some are so very upset and their anger has become focussed on these animals.

And months ago they started discussing whether they could come and were still discussing it just before this chaos ensued.
Interpreters not getting through is the British Government's fault only for not acting sooner.

Yes, whatdayisit
Nero syndrome

welbeck

if the animals had been euthanised a week or two ago, then the man and all his staff and their families could have got safely out.
obviously saving the animals as well is the ideal situation, but it look to me that the insistence on getting them out has in effect meant that the staff could not get out.
nobody wants animals to suffer or be lost, but humans must come first.
sometimes the best is the enemy of the good.

Hindsight ain't it wonderful.

31 August 2021 will be the last flight out. In fact it was moved to 28 August 2021.

Troops will leave on 11 September 2021 (report in April 2021) but the Afghan army are trained and will withstand any efforts by the Taliban to seize control. Took 4 days.

If the animals had been euthanised a week ago - what is the point of an animal sanctuary without animals? Who in the future would support a charity that would euthanise their animals without giving the chance of getting out a fair whack?

It wasn't an either / or situation. It was never animals before people. Pen Farthing had got the plane sorted, Boris Johnson had given the go-ahead for the staff (and animals) to come to the UK. All he needed a week ago was the information to give the chartered flight and they could have been in that queue at the airport last Monday.

tickingbird

I thought The Guardian was the temple of all truth. It’s quoted so often on here and always as some kind of clincher in any debate as in “here’s the link” followed by a direct line to the article.

I apologise for being flippant but sometimes I despair……

No-one is allowed to quote the Daily Mail, tickingbird, even their long campaign to try to get the Afghan interpreters and families evacuated to the UK.

This was the story a month ago:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9832589/Generals-fury-UK-snubs-130-heroic-Afghan-translators-brass-demanding-sanctuary-men.html

(I make no apologies, my reading is eclectic)

Months ago there were petitions to sign highlighting the plight of the interpreters and getting them out .
What has the government been doing ? As usual everything is left to the last minute with this government. Comes down to .Johnson not being able to make up his mind and most of the cabinet without clout.

Callistemon and Whatdayisit

Maybe you should think about the ownership of the Sunday Times and a bit about Tim Shipman. The latter is currently political editor and has only ever written for right wing papers.

The former is owned by News UK which is a wholly owned subsidiary of News Corp (formerly News international). The CEO of News UK is Rebekah Brooks, formerly of News of the World and of course News Corp is owned by Robert Murdoch.

Brooks just happened to be editor during the infamous phone hacking which took place when the paper launched its campaign against "naming and shaming" whilst at the same time hacking the voice mail of Sarah Payne's mother.

The Guardian and the Observer are owned by a trust, as I'm sure you are aware. Are you saying that you disbelieve the statement that it was an announcement from the MOD?

The Guardian was instrumental in uncovering evidence about the phone hacking and is no friend of News Corp.

Callistemon I think that most of are aware the Mail has run some excellent campaigns. However I don't think I've seen many links to the Mail (Daily or Sunday)

I'm glad he managed to get back with the animals but it's very sad about his staff and I hope they'll still be able to get out too.

It seems lots of mistakes were made by this government but I don't feel robust enough to comment even though I am saintly in nature and have rescue dogs

I can't believe my eyes.
This man has left Afghanistan with his cats and dogs, but left his staff behind ?
Ye Gods.

eazybee

I can't believe my eyes.
This man has left Afghanistan with his cats and dogs, but left his staff behind ?
Ye Gods.

How do you suggest he could have got his staff out when he’d already tried?

Would you argue with the Taliban?

Excuse me Dinahmo but I have never ever paid 1p for any of Murdoch's trash. I certainly do not need that pointing out.
I don't even take a free Sun to wipe my backside with when offered in a garage. Page 3, Wapping, Hillsborough to start with.

I don't believe The Guardian because reading The Guardian made me believe JC was going to win the election in 2019. And I haven't recovered. I don't believe everything I read in it to be fair they are all journalists.

As o have said already I'm glad the cats and dogs are out and it is Western Leaders lack of urgency why the others aren't not Pen whatever his personality or the pets. And his staff would have wanted the pets to get out too.

I have never subscribed to BSB or Sky either.

Animals go into allocated areas where it would not be safe for humans .

His staff weren't able to leave, he didn't 'leave them behind' in favour of his animals. This has been pointed out and explained ad nauseam on here and other news outlets.

Whatdayisit We must have read different articles or op eds because I didn't think Labour were to win.

eazybee

I can't believe my eyes.
This man has left Afghanistan with his cats and dogs, but left his staff behind ?
Ye Gods.

eazybee Fri 30-Apr-21 17:11:24

Too many unsubstantiated allegations are given too much credence; investigate before you pronounce judgement.

Dinahmo

Whatdayisit We must have read different articles or op eds because I didn't think Labour were to win.

I must have misinterpreted what I read !