A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

Nissan are being given a huge amount of money by the govt to keep them going in Sunderland otherwise unfortunately it would be a different story.
Something I had never thought about but read a report this morning - many businesses sending goods to people in the EU are finding that due to the charges being imposed the customers (individual people) are refusing to accept the goods. They are then going back to a depot and the company will need to pay further charges to get the goods back to base. I wonder if they will be able to solve this problem.

name ONE ,just ONE advantage ?

Vote leave said in their pamphlet that in the event of leave winning there was no danger of Nissan relocating. Nissan we’re going to sue but nothing came of it. Teresa May stepped in at one point and must have offered them money to stay.

gangy5

Let's inject some positivity into this post. Today the head of Nissan has said ' Brexit will turbocharge its business' and will probably double production at it's Sunderland site.
Time to stop wittering on about petty difficulties that affect us personally and think of the advantages that will benefit our nation as a whole.

This is not 'an advantage that will benefit our nation as a whole'. It's not new investment by a new company. Nissan has been here since the 1980s. A life saver for the N.E at the time (I remember the local jubilation when it came) and a source of direct and indirect employment.

I'm glad that it won't be leaving because that would be an absolutely devastating blow to the area, but all that this announcement says is that we are maintaining the status quo. It's a sad day when Leavers think that maintenance of the status quo is 'good news'. It's merely a big 'relief'. Good news would have been a large new company investing in a big manufacturing project in the UK.

But given the import and export problems Brexit has thrown up I see that as highly unlikely.

Time to stop wittering on about petty difficulties that affect us personally

Having forced us into a position that we didn't want to be in you should damn well being apologising to Remainers for those 'petty difficulties' resulting from your vote, not telling us to ignore them.

I think that these 'petty difficulties' are likely to accumulate to cause a massive dislike of Brexit.

UK retailers could abandon goods EU customers want to return, with some even thinking of burning them because it is cheaper than bringing them home.

They say the new EU trade deal has put costly duties on returns at a time when firms are already struggling.

The BBC has been told UK High Street and luxury brands have a mounting volume of goods stuck with courier services on the continent.

None of the retailers would comment on the problem.

Adam Mansell, boss of the UK Fashion & Textile Association (UKFT), said it's "cheaper for retailers to write off the cost of the goods than dealing with it all, either abandoning or potentially burning them."

Since 1 January, lots of European customers have been presented with an unexpected customs invoice when signing for goods they've ordered from the UK. These new customs charges are a result of the new EU trade deal with the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757931

It's heartbreaking.

This is people's livelihoods that being harmed and labelled as 'petty personal difficulties'... As if we don't have enough to cope with with covid.

Varian: UK retailers could abandon goods EU customers want to return, with some even thinking of burning them because it is cheaper than bringing them home.

This is, I guess, just another petty difficulty/storm in a teacup but hardly in line with:

”Leaving the European Union is an opportunity to refresh and renew our environmental policy, and show domestic and international leadership.”

From the Government's publication ”Our Waste our Resources:
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/765914/resources-waste-strategy-dec-2018.pdf

This from the Guardian Nissan boss says Brexit has given them the edge over European competitors!

GrannyGravy13

This from the Guardian Nissan boss says Brexit has given them the edge over European competitors!

Deeply puzzling that, GG13.

Competitive edge over who?

That should be 'how', not 'over who', really...

MaizieD

It's heartbreaking.

This is people's livelihoods that being harmed and labelled as 'petty personal difficulties'... As if we don't have enough to cope with with covid.

it is more than that two, totally disgusting and vile.

So, all that’s happening is we’re just celebrating not losing an industry that the NE is totally dependent on. Nothing has been gained. Or am I missing something here?

Let's look at seeds. Lots of gardeners on Gnet...

Post-Brexit trade: a barren soil for seeds

Seeds of Italy is the UK importer of seeds from Franchi, the oldest family-run seed company in the world. They preserve old varieties renowned for taste; the company also deals with fine Italian foods and cosmetics. As for many other companies, the end of the Brexit transition period is causing no end of problems and costs.

With the company’s seeds a fixture in many Midlands garden centres, we decided to catch up with Paolo Arrigo, the founder and CEO of the company.

The end of the transition has been a shock. Arrigo says “It is serious, I’m an importer who cannot import seeds”. He says all seed importers are talking, trying to understand the new rules. Defra consulted 12 seed companies: “the large brands, no specialists, none of the companies like us”. He finds this hard to believe: “This is the country of the first horticultural society and botanical gardens. Think Darwin. The country has a passion for horticulture. Hobby seeds, seed packets, restaurant growers, small growers, allotmenteers”.

What happened, Arrigo says, is that the government uploaded 5000 varieties from the EU seed authorisation list to the UK seed list based on that consultation. To register a new variety in future could cost £300. There are tens of thousands of varieties that were free before.

How will small and new companies manage this? Arrigo says “this skews the sector to the corporate big boys. But what about the local and specialist varieties, the regional, the artisan products? This is the same as might happen with food: hormone-fed beef, and so on”. Just one unregistered variety could see whole consignments refused.

eastmidlandsbylines.co.uk/post-brexit-trade-a-barren-soil-for-seeds/?fbclid=IwAR3rXT7TmjhFe2RIczUL-h1ails2h3YRcWFVbosCFa2BYokUKfzgzAe4jwI

MayBee70

So, all that’s happening is we’re just celebrating not losing an industry that the NE is totally dependent on. Nothing has been gained. Or am I missing something here?

You're missing boundless optimism and joy and hope for the future, Maybee

And cheese

Cheshire Cheese Co
@1CheshireCheese

It is with great sadness we must stop sending our cheese to the EU. Due to an oversight in the Free Trade deal it is impossible for us to send cheese to our EU online consumers. DEFRA has told us not to expect an exemption or change anytime soon. Investment & hope is lost today

twitter.com/1CheshireCheese/status/1352534850142687232

So a factory not closing is a measure of success?

gangy5 Every time there is a "petty difficulty that affects us personally" there is going to a business on the other end losing out. eg - I can no longer buy the decent cheddar cheese that I enjoy here in France but more importantly the cheese maker cannot export it to supply the many customers who would like it, or Cheshire, or Wensleydale, or Coopers' Marmalde or Tiptree jam' Or even, heaven forfend, Marmite.

Just to spell it out - my complaint is a small one, multiply that by the many other small complaints and on the opposite side are the businesses who can no longer fulfill our requirements. Many of whom will go under.

We get good Cheddar from the UK over here in Australia at certain shops and as you might know, Australia is really,really fussy about importing food so how come the EU can’t import it ? I think they are just trying to punish you guys. Costco bring in lovely British cheese and they are an American company and even Aldi can get it and they are German. There seems to be a lot of politics going on.

MaizieD
I'm working my way through a few current threads (joined Gransnet 3 days ago). Reading mainly, and just the odd comment.

This one interested me. First a curiosity about the title and then that seeds and gardening has just been mentioned. However, I've read enough, I hope, to get the gist of the title.

I've never heard of Seeds of Italy but have looked at what they sell. I've no idea what % of UK gardeners buy their seeds. It would be interesting to find out.

What shocked me from the link article was this statement: He explains that the seed sector in Britain has changed. Before World War II, most companies bred their own, “but now over half of UK seed is imported, much from the European Union”.

I'm going to try and find out why that happened. There is not a shortage of people/companies in UK that 'breed' their own seeds.

I grow from seed and most of my seeds come from Sarah Raven (here in UK) whose seeds have been through rigorous germination tests and none genetically modified or chemically treated. Great success with them.

There are many companies like Sarah Raven that don't import. Another I use is Higgledy Garden and King's seeds. All very popular in garden centres etc.

These companies and others like them could go from strength to strength. What is wrong with that MaizeD?

MaizieD

And cheese

Cheshire Cheese Co
@1CheshireCheese

It is with great sadness we must stop sending our cheese to the EU. Due to an oversight in the Free Trade deal it is impossible for us to send cheese to our EU online consumers. DEFRA has told us not to expect an exemption or change anytime soon. Investment & hope is lost today

twitter.com/1CheshireCheese/status/1352534850142687232

That’s stuff leaving
That doesn’t bother leavers.

??

All that matters is brexit is done.

Maybe those cheese people should rejig their whole business for the masses of new opportunities!! Masses!

They should just be positive.

That’s stuff leaving
That doesn’t bother leavers.

Too right, Summerlove. It's someones business going under, but it doesn't bother Leavers because, bizarrely, it's somehow the fault of the business, not the changes to the 'rules' that is the result of their vote.

nanna8

We get good Cheddar from the UK over here in Australia at certain shops and as you might know, Australia is really,really fussy about importing food so how come the EU can’t import it ? I think they are just trying to punish you guys. Costco bring in lovely British cheese and they are an American company and even Aldi can get it and they are German. There seems to be a lot of politics going on.

That was the deal which was agreed and signed.

GrannyGravy13

This from the Guardian Nissan boss says Brexit has given them the edge over European competitors!

Hmm! Nothing to do with the £80 million bung from government which Nissan has allegedly received because the political price would have been even more expensive.

OK then! £80,000,000 divided by £325,000 (that was the number of the bus wasn't it?) = how many weeks?

Plus the £23,000,000 which Defra has set up to compensate the fishing industry..

Sorry, cheesemakers. The money tree has stopped producing.

Got up early to make a cuppa and listened to a farming programme on Radio 4. A man who runs a company selling glass eels ( ? no, me neither) said he was going out of business as he could no longer sell to the EU or Northern Ireland. The interviewee asked him if he regretted his Brexit vote - he said- “yes, you have to be careful what you wish for and we didn’t get what was promised” - just about sums it up.

I saw this, this morning too vegan. Very sad.