A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

Urmstongran

Actually are we posting on the wrong thread?
Isn’t this the Brexit one? How did it morph?
Like a conversation I suppose!

Because you didn't answer the question Had you done so it would have naturally brought us back to the referendum, etc., etc.

Actually are we posting on the wrong thread?
Isn’t this the Brexit one? How did it morph?
Like a conversation I suppose!

Sort Alegrias I know an impeachment has been passed by votes yesterday that Pelosi (another nutter who just scraped in at the election - nearly ousted there) such a bitter woman.

Anyway I thought there was more to be decided by a vote? Maybe I’m wrong. I’m an infrequent observer of how the American system works!

Urmstongran

I’m not agreeing AT ALL with any incitement to violence. Totally wrong.

I don’t live in the USA so I’ve no skin in this game. I suppose I play Devil’s Advocate sometimes, just pointing out to all the Democrat fans on here that more than 70 million (just let that number of voters sink in for a minute) are very disappointed right now.

Like our Brexit result, the majority of them will get over it. But in the short term some nutters will be angry. Trump has done himself untold damage by whipping up hysteria amongst a certain faction of supporters. I have no respect for how he has behaved. It’s over. I don’t think he will be impeached. The numbers don’t stack up.

He hasn’t just recently whipped up hysteria amongst his supporters, though. For years he has said there would be voting fraud before elections but then decided they weren’t fraudulent if he won. It’s been part of his long term plan. It isn’t over and it won’t be over for a long time. For some reason a lot of poorer Americans seem to have a loathing of the Democrats.

I don’t think he will be impeached. The numbers don’t stack up.

He's already been impeached again, it happened last night. Finger on the pulse there, UG

I don’t recall ever shying away from that question PippaZ?
I don’t remember objecting to anything.

I’m not agreeing AT ALL with any incitement to violence. Totally wrong.

I don’t live in the USA so I’ve no skin in this game. I suppose I play Devil’s Advocate sometimes, just pointing out to all the Democrat fans on here that more than 70 million (just let that number of voters sink in for a minute) are very disappointed right now.

Like our Brexit result, the majority of them will get over it. But in the short term some nutters will be angry. Trump has done himself untold damage by whipping up hysteria amongst a certain faction of supporters. I have no respect for how he has behaved. It’s over. I don’t think he will be impeached. The numbers don’t stack up.

Parsley3

I will give you your due UG. You stick to your guns, no matter what, with an unwavering tenacity in your beliefs. It is quite the achievement to never display a doubt or a second thought in the face of opposing arguments.
Respect.

It's just a shame that her guns are made of plastic...

I will give you your due UG. You stick to your guns, no matter what, with an unwavering tenacity in your beliefs. It is quite the achievement to never display a doubt or a second thought in the face of opposing arguments.
Respect.

Urmstongran

^In some ways I hope it goes badly and the government is forced to beg to rejoin, with or without a referendum.^

A Remainer’s wet dream, right there. Not even another referendum. No wonder Jo Swinson got trounced for suggesting it and left the Lib Dem’s unelectable.

I'm sure I have asked this before UG and you objected to the question but, in view of your rather offensive post I will ask again.

Do you approve of what Trump has done in the USA?

Cindersdad

Though I have not yet been affected by Brexit I have always said that it was and continues to be a colossal mistake. Over the coming months it will strike home though masked by Covid affecting more of us. In some ways I hope it goes badly and the government is forced to beg to rejoin, with or without a referendum. That will have to wait for Covid to be largely controlled and the Brexiteer bunch consigned to history.

We need a coalition government made up of pragmatic members from across the political spectrum followed in due time by a general election held on a fair votes basis. Wishful thinking but the Trumpian government here cannot fully distance itself from the disasters of populism. Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and other high profile Brexiteers need to be made accountable, some of their colleagues may be redeemable. As for the likes of Nigel Farage, Jabob Rees Mogg, Aaron Banks, Steven Baker and ERG MP's they should at least be barred from holding office for life. They only wanted a low tax country at any cost and did not care who they hurt in the process.

I do believe in Free Speech and democracy but with that must come honesty, objectivity and compassion plus accountabilty for misleading the public. You can forgive genuine mistakes in time but deliberate well thought out destruction of democracy can never be forgiven. Dominic Cummings and Cambridge Analytica have a great deal to answer for here and in America. Witch hunt may be but a line has to be drawn somewhere, some of them have crossed the lines of democractic administration.

Needs to be repeated .

Such a good post

Great post Cindersdad

In some ways I hope it goes badly and the government is forced to beg to rejoin, with or without a referendum.

A Remainer’s wet dream, right there. Not even another referendum. No wonder Jo Swinson got trounced for suggesting it and left the Lib Dem’s unelectable.

Stena Line moves it's new Belfast ferry service to Rosslare because of brexit

www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55655631

David0205

Philippa111

I'm in Scotland and friends who would never in a million years have considered voting SNP are all changing their minds.
The words 'Down the tubes' come to mind.

The Scots should calm down and make the best of it like the rest of us, independence can only come with border restrictions. EU membership is an illusion that can only come with a “closed” border with England, EFTA membership is much more likely and subject to EU rules.

Just like Brexit it’s a double edged sword, even more complex now.

David0205, I hope you don't think I'm stalking you but here we go again. A phrase like The Scots should calm down and make the best of it pretty much encapsulates why many if us want to be off.

Who are you to tell me to calm down? We've been told that for 300 years and its wearing a bit thin. We'll decide for ourselves, thanks.

German logistics group DB Schenker on Wednesday became the latest major parcels operator to suspend cross-border delivery services because of new red tape and customs paperwork imposed by Brexit.

The company added that the postponement would continue “until further notice” while it mobilised more staff to help with completing paperwork correctly.

A spokesman for the company in Berlin said there was no immediate clarity on when services would restart, adding that only 10 per cent of shipments were accompanied with the correct paperwork.

Last week another major international delivery company, DPD, suspended deliveries from the UK to the EU, saying that up to 20 per cent of parcels had incorrect information attached.

In a statement DPD blamed “challenges” with the government’s New Computerised Transit System (NCTS) since January 1, when the EU-UK post-Brexit trade deal came into force. The company has said it will review the situation on Friday.

In a note issued to customers the company said it was suspending shipments from the EU to the UK blaming the “enormous bureaucratic regulations” created by the post-Brexit trading arrangements that had left recipients in the UK unable to handle shipments in a “legally compliant manner”.

lapmjournal.co.uk/brexit-forces-german-logistics-group-to-suspend-uk-deliveries/

Well said, Cindersdad ???

Though I have not yet been affected by Brexit I have always said that it was and continues to be a colossal mistake. Over the coming months it will strike home though masked by Covid affecting more of us. In some ways I hope it goes badly and the government is forced to beg to rejoin, with or without a referendum. That will have to wait for Covid to be largely controlled and the Brexiteer bunch consigned to history.

We need a coalition government made up of pragmatic members from across the political spectrum followed in due time by a general election held on a fair votes basis. Wishful thinking but the Trumpian government here cannot fully distance itself from the disasters of populism. Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and other high profile Brexiteers need to be made accountable, some of their colleagues may be redeemable. As for the likes of Nigel Farage, Jabob Rees Mogg, Aaron Banks, Steven Baker and ERG MP's they should at least be barred from holding office for life. They only wanted a low tax country at any cost and did not care who they hurt in the process.

I do believe in Free Speech and democracy but with that must come honesty, objectivity and compassion plus accountabilty for misleading the public. You can forgive genuine mistakes in time but deliberate well thought out destruction of democracy can never be forgiven. Dominic Cummings and Cambridge Analytica have a great deal to answer for here and in America. Witch hunt may be but a line has to be drawn somewhere, some of them have crossed the lines of democractic administration.

varian

Deliveries to the UK stopped by brexit beurocracy

www.ft.com/content/27069111-be39-446f-8cf1-ed216400b171

It's behind a paywall, varian.

Deliveries to the UK stopped by brexit beurocracy

www.ft.com/content/27069111-be39-446f-8cf1-ed216400b171

Hetty58

I disagree with any mutilation of animals.

It's interesting that those countries where dogs are not neutered (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Switzerland) have fewer problems with strays, healthier pets and less veterinary interventions.

Yet - we're supposed to be a nation of animal lovers?

dogsfirst.ie/health-issues/dog-neutering/?fbclid=IwAR1hbAhh5C0UeucT7MRuzMmcHylOHhbmKZl4h1xF8WZMNH8XAZmi9bqY4iE

I think that’s only early neutering though: something that some vets seem to pressurise people to do. I’ve had two bitches develop pyometra, one of them almost died and was never healthy again so I would always advocate spaying from bitches that aren’t going to be bred from. But only after they’ve had one or two seasons and certainly not until they’re fully grown. I’m not sure about dogs as I’ve only ever had bitches but you’d assume it’s best to wait until they’re at least 1 or 2.

Teething problems? Is BJ confusing serious politics with the problems of his latest baby

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-food-supply-northern-ireland-b1786629.html

I disagree with any mutilation of animals.

It's interesting that those countries where dogs are not neutered (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Switzerland) have fewer problems with strays, healthier pets and less veterinary interventions.

Yet - we're supposed to be a nation of animal lovers?

dogsfirst.ie/health-issues/dog-neutering/?fbclid=IwAR1hbAhh5C0UeucT7MRuzMmcHylOHhbmKZl4h1xF8WZMNH8XAZmi9bqY4iE

Currently, it is illegal to crop dogs' ears in the UK, but Russia, the USA and some European countries allow it, making it an attractive choice for potential owners to import cropped dogs from there.

A Defra spokesperson said: “The practice of mutilating dogs’ ears is abhorrent and has rightly been banned in the UK for 15 years.

“We already have some of the world’s highest animal welfare standards. Now we have left the EU we have the opportunity to manage our own rules applying to pet travel movements into Great Britain including considering the ban of imports of dogs with cropped ears.”

Ear cropping is becoming more of a trend in the UK, as celebrities and sportspeople share pictures of their cropped dogs on social media.

A spokesperson from the British Veterinary Association (BVA) explained: "A rise in celebrities and sportspeople in the UK owning and sharing images of these breeds on social media [is fueling the rise].

Those poor dogs. People that do that are simply disgusting and thank goodness I’ve never seen the cropped ears, tge people that do that to dogs should not be allowed to keep animals and have enormous fines and named and shamed.