Boris' 'oven ready' deal becomes 'No Deal'

Personal insult demeans an argument.
I’ve answered the question posed and won’t take part in a vitriolic descent as requested by the original poster

I am not stupid.
I just voted differently to you WW.
That’s annoying but there you go.
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Enjoy your day one and all!

Our views are too worthless to even be discussed because we're stupid I'll educated racist, homophobic, not on the far left, everything in fact that only deserves patronising contempt!

ug in any case some including yourself would take it as a compliment I would have thought?

Urmstongran

^ Your rhetoric seems straight out of Trumps note book^

I thought we were being encouraged not to descend into vitriol WW?

I do notice it’s always the Remainers who jump on any Leaver posts! Why can’t we too comment ‘unmolested’?
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Sheer frustration at stupidity ug. It bursts out occasionally.

The good thing is though that no one seems to have taken Johnson seriously over his “no deal” rhetoric.

I think that it has been accepted that the silly bugger had to somehow save face over his demand that everything to be finalised by this week or else it is no deal.

Another Johnson statement has bitten the dust.

There is also the strong possibility of the reunification of Ireland and Independence for Scotland - both these Countries remaining in the EU, which is what they voted for in the EU referendum. This would leave England isolated - 'standing alone' (as was often erroneously claimed re WW2). Think about that for a moment - Scottish/Irish produce, beef, power, fish, water, oil, etc being sold in the EU tariff free and imports likewise. Plus access to all the free trade deals already extant in the EU.

^ Your rhetoric seems straight out of Trumps note book^

I thought we were being encouraged not to descend into vitriol WW?

I do notice it’s always the Remainers who jump on any Leaver posts! Why can’t we too comment ‘unmolested’?
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If Johnson had been serious about CETA he would have extended transition and been having in depth talks now about the details which took the Canadian deal 7 years. That way the EU could accept lower standards of our products, which is what apparently is the meaning of taking back control.

Quite possibly it would take less than 7 years , but certainly more than months.

What we need however in order to save our farming industry is something more than ceta, we need the ability to sell our beef and lamb tariff free because without that our countryside will change beyond recognition.

I’m another one who voted to Leave and I still think a deal will be struck. It’s not quite 23:55hrs yet....
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LauraNorder

German, Italian and Dutch businesses want a deal to be done. They will put pressure on their governments. The Germans will put pressure on the posturing Macron and a deal will be done at the eleventh hour.
However if this doesn’t transpire, no deal will be better than a weak deal.
I would vote to be an independent nation with friendly international relationships every time.
Coronavirus has made everything so much tougher worldwide but I firmly believe in my country’s ability to thrive.
I am aware that there will be bumps in the road as always with big changes but we will iron things out as we go along and I believe we will prosper.,
I also believe that this government have big ambitions for our country and once we have Covid under control we will begin to see good things happen.

Your rhetoric seems straight out of Trumps note book

“Ability to thrive” by lies, breaking treaties, dividing the U.K., lowering food and welfare standards, turning Kent into a lorry park, creating a red tape mountain., sucking up to the likes of Trump....Great.

I absolutely agree with you Laura N. Isn't it sad that on here any positive attitude always gets greeted with a negative patronising put down! Reminds one of the EU ! I thought Boris spoke very well, but of course what would I know in my ignorance and lack of detail amongst such clever know alls!

I think the beleavers just want to hope “everything will be marvellous because we are British” - without any attention to the detail or the way Johnson has already reneged on his election promises. Must be nice to have simple faith.

I rather envy people that have faith in Johnson and his government of yes men. We were watching him on tv yesterday and said how we struggled to comprehend how people could listen to him and feel confident in his ability to govern at a time of crisis. Or any time for that matter.

Oh god. It's the German car manufacturers and Italian Prosecco producers about to ride to our rescue, again...

I expect they've just been playing a little game of chicken with us by leaving it so long to make a move...

German, Italian and Dutch businesses want a deal to be done. They will put pressure on their governments. The Germans will put pressure on the posturing Macron and a deal will be done at the eleventh hour.
However if this doesn’t transpire, no deal will be better than a weak deal.
I would vote to be an independent nation with friendly international relationships every time.
Coronavirus has made everything so much tougher worldwide but I firmly believe in my country’s ability to thrive.
I am aware that there will be bumps in the road as always with big changes but we will iron things out as we go along and I believe we will prosper.,
I also believe that this government have big ambitions for our country and once we have Covid under control we will begin to see good things happen.

Ah...but he is going to make an "Australian deal" - i.e. no deal at all. How dare he say such ridiculous things! It is treating the electorate as if they are idiots.

Fishing! Unless they don't want anything at all which is what no deal will mean!

How easy - hey.

And what in particular would you like the EU to compromise on, as a matter of fact. Because just saying it is a bit simple, really.

GrannyA just as Meryl has said, I have politely answered your question and will be off to another thread now?
Hope it continues well ( without a GN bunfight, as HQ call it)

And responding to replies with our own opinion is totally legitimate.

The thread is now getting away from the OP though, which asked Leavers what they thought about ‘no deal’.....

The EU would be ‘barking’ as you put it biba to not compromise and get a deal with the UK, because they want one every bit as much as we do to allow trade to continue smoothly.
No matter the rhetoric from them, or the posturing from Macron ( which Germany will over ride) they do want a deal.