Please ensure that your children and grandchildren follow the guidelines.

The rules are full of so many anomalies that it makes your head hurt just to think about it. There is such an obsession with Covid that we have lost sight of everything else. What’s the point of not getting Covid if your cancer doesn’t get treated, if your loved one’s dementia turns them into a cabbage, if your child’s mental health is destroyed? We have to concentrate on avoiding hospital admissions. Those of us who are vulnerable are generally exercising common sense and staying out of danger. The rest of the population have to be allowed to get on with life or we’ll all end up with lives that are not worth living.

Some of them will end up with no lives at all - literally - if they just get on with life how they want. Sorry, but it's that kind of attitude which has resulted in community transmission and a more dangerous environment for everybody, including those with underlying health issues, who would like to feel safer.

BlueBelle

maggieTulliver i m with you all the way nothing I can add
Let the young get on with their lives anyone older who is worried or ill keep away from them
Every death is unique and unwanted and sad and tragic but you cannot stop the world for 9 deaths a day it’s what happens with ordinary flu

Nobody apart from you and Maggie Tulliver is talking about the number of deaths. I'm just trying to get you lot to understand that there can be long term health consequences for young people if they are unlucky enough to catch covid.
THAT'S ALL.

The number of deaths, coughs and sneezes etc has no bearing on bearing upon the subject that I introduced.

I know two people in their twenties who have had the virus - one recovered quite quickly, one is very unwell two months on. He's not someone I know well, so I don't know all the ins and outs, but he's had two quite long stays in hospital unable to breathe properly. He came home last week but is stuck in bed now. These are friends of my youngest niece, and I'm happy to say she is finally wearing the masks I made for her. She still goes out a lot, but is more careful where she goes and who with.

No one is suggesting youngsters should stay home - just that they take care and take the virus seriously.

Many now seem to forget why the emergency regulations were brought into being. It was not that the government believed that Covid-19 could be eradicated completely, but to reduce infection to a level where the Health Service would not be overwhelmed. It was also that the food processing industry along with the associated large distribution centres and utility services would continue to operate with the infection being contained within levels at which they could continue serving their essential services to this nation.

The foregoing is still the case as the infection rate once more climbs rapidly due to non-observance of the regulations in many areas.

Perhaps some will not be convinced of the requirement for the regulations until there is nothing on the supermarket shelves and they are sat in the dark in their homes.

Oh, and it could be that along with the above they are also having great difficulty breathing but have found that our NHS no longer has the capacity to treat them.

I said on another thread can't remember which one now that my 25 year old colleague was diagnosed with COVID last week. Still off work for the whole of next week and, according to another colleague who's been in touch with her, she is quite poorly. The other young person that I know of is one of the dental nurses at my dental practice; in her 20s and caught COVID in Spain whilst on holiday. No idea how she is.

growstuff
"Some of them will end up with no lives at all - literally - if they just get on with life how they want."

And they might get cancer. Or get run over. Everyone has to judge the risk for themselves. I entirely agree that we all should take some precautions and have regard for others but we can't shut down normal life indefinitely or the number of unnecessary deaths from other causes is going to outnumber Covid deaths in the long run.

I’m afraid that sadly I have seen evidence of older people being selfish, never mind young ones. Many older people, such as us all on Gransnet really do think the world should stop for young people because of Covid19. Well of course, none of us want to die, but let’s face it, we are at the end of our lives, the children and young are at the beginning.
I have been accused of virtue signalling on this site because I have steadfastly supported the opening of schools for our children. I have argued that they are more important than us, because they are. They have been deprived of their education, the development of their social and emotional life skills, and the whole of their lives has been shut down. No clubs, no birthday parties, no horse riding, ballet lessons, music lessons, Cubs, Scouts, Brownies, or indeed anything else. We cannot allow our children to be so severely deprived again.
I have a 92 year old mother. I have done everything in my power to keep her safe during this crisis, and I will do so again if the crisis looks to continue in our area. BUT she is not more important than our eight year old grandson (three solid months and he never saw another child as he’s an only one) or our six year old twin grandchildren, or our two year old darling boy. They are more important, and their development is more important than me, my mother, or any other older person.

Oh, and I do think we all, young and old alike, should follow the guidelines (mask wearing, hand washing, using sanitiser, avoiding large groups or crowded places etc) and obey the law (no more than six people meeting together from Monday) but we cannot selfishly expect children to sacrifice everything that they are entitled to in order to keep older people free of Covid19.

Yes, they might get cancer or get run over. Most sensible people will take steps to avoid cancer or getting run over. Why shouldn't they take steps to avoid being infected with Covid? Unfortunately, it's more difficult to manage the risk when others don't bother. One can be the safest driver in the world, but be killed by a lunatic ... and that's what's happening with Covid when other people won't wear masks, won't keep their distance and won't stay at home if they feel unwell.

By all means take whatever risk you want, but you don't have the right to assume other people want to take the same risk, especially if they already have higher risk factors. While selfish people are out and about, others can only mitigate their own risk by staying at home. I really do think it would be helpful if people taking risks could wear some special clothes, so every knows they're taking risks and can stay away from them. Maybe you're happy that many people will die unnecessarily. I'm not.

Yes indeed tidyskatemum, I have been reading today about a young mother of 31 who died during the crisis. Not of Covid19 but of cancer because her treatment was abruptly stopped. That’s immoral in my view. And she’s not the only one.

maddyone

Oh, and I do think we all, young and old alike, should follow the guidelines (mask wearing, hand washing, using sanitiser, avoiding large groups or crowded places etc) and obey the law (no more than six people meeting together from Monday) but we cannot selfishly expect children to sacrifice everything that they are entitled to in order to keep older people free of Covid19.

Like going to school and spending five hours in a cramped, poorly ventilated classroom?

I don't know why you think it's relevant to divide people by age groups. All people are suffering because some people (of all ages) are incredibly selfish and we have an incompetent government.

I divide people by age group because the children are more important than older people. I know you don’t agree, but neither do I agree that with you that children should not go to school.

I do think that the stark contradictions in the rules make it harder for people to take them seriously which is a pity. I have had conversations with a number of people over the last few days, of varying age groups, who up to now have been following the "rules" with diligence. They are expressing real frustration at the contradictions and seriously questioning whether they will follow them any more. The most common cited contradiction is the 6 in the house or outdoors including primary age children, whilst schools are open, people can go to pubs, cafes etc. There appears to be a sense that primary age children should be excluded from the numbers as in Scotland because the interpretation of the "the science" seems to vary according to the agenda being promoted

I also don't think it is helpful for any age group to be "blamed". A lot of resentment coming from the younger people I have talked to about the "Don't kill Granny" slogan!

Of course all my discussions are just anecdotal, just me own little "poll"

The facts are the facts and people have to make up their own minds about what that means for them, what they do to keep themselves or other safe based on those facts and the advice and guidance given.

MaggieTulliver

More scare-mongering from the Covid fascists. Lock em all up and take away their futures, these poor young people whose lives have been so utterly diminished. Nine people died of Covid yesterday NINE. I most certainly won’t be lecturing my 20 year old daughter and hope when she goes back to uni next week, she is able to experience at least a fraction of uni life without being tormented by the likes of the OP.

Oh no, Don’t ever ask the Little Princes and Princesses of Generation Entitlement to give up their ‘pleasures’ (drink, sex, drugs, etc) even for a few months to help rid the country of this virus.

Other young people their age went to war in the past - more fool them?

furret nasty post

No not nasty. That is just because you disagree with it.

maddyone

I divide people by age group because the children are more important than older people. I know you don’t agree, but neither do I agree that with you that children should not go to school.

Children should go to school - of course they should - and I have never disputed that. However, they are being forced to spend six hours a day in an environment which would be deemed "Covid unsafe" in any other context. There are now over 600 schools which have had to send children home and/or have have had temporary or partial closures. That's not providing the kind of security and continuity which young people need, nor is it allowing parents to commit to permanent working arrangements. It's self-defeating.

What I have said all along is that there should be continuity and to do that, there needs to be realism. Thirty children in a classroom which doesn't allow for social distancing is asking for trouble. That's why it would have made more sense right from the start to plan for half classes combined with online learning. There also needs to be efficient testing and tracing, so that genuine cases and contacts are picked up quickly on the one hand and other pupils aren't missing school unnecessarily. The government needs to get rid of Dido Harding and Serco and allow the NHS and local authorities to take over.

I do not agree that children are more important than older people and you have no right to make that judgement on behalf of other people. If you want to sacrifice yourself, that's up to you but don't take other people with you.

What is nasty is calling those who are trying to do their bit ‘Covid fascists’.

Furret

No not nasty. That is just because you disagree with it.

I disagree. I think it's very nasty. Maybe you'd be happier if a few of them died, just because young people in the past did. It's all part of the "blame game" people are being encouraged to play.

Furret

What is nasty is calling those who are trying to do their bit ‘Covid fascists’.

Who's calling anybody that?

I think you will find that those who think children are more important than granny, are referring to their children, and not refugee children fleeing bombs, terrorists or famine. Those children and their families are to be left to rot in refugees camps while the privileged few must fully enjoy their university experience.

What a world we have created.

growstuff

Furret

What is nasty is calling those who are trying to do their bit ‘Covid fascists’.

Who's calling anybody that?

Read the thread lovey and see.

have been wearing a mask in public (and limiting my trips) since March when this whole thing went down.
I’m not sure how being considerate to others for the common good is now being mocked by some who are calling it “living in fear,” but it needs to stop....
When I wear a mask over my nose and mouth in public and in the stores/Supermarkets/Pharmacies/Offices - I want you to know the following:
? I'm educated enough to know that I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus.
? No, I don't "live in fear" of the virus; I just want to be part of the solution, not the problem.
? I don't feel like the "government controls me.” I feel like I'm an adult contributing to the security in our society and I want to teach others the same.
? If we could all live with the consideration of others in mind, the whole world would be a much better place.
? Wearing a mask doesn't make me weak, scared, stupid or even "controlled.” It makes me caring and responsible and altruistic.
? When you think about your appearance, discomfort, or other people's opinion of you, imagine a loved one - a child, father, mother, grandparent, aunt, uncle or even a stranger - placed on a ventilator, alone without you or any family member allowed at their bedside.....Ask yourself if you could have helped them a little by wearing a mask.

The same goes for trying to observe the very muddled rules. set by this government. And for this we get called Covid fascists.

The only option if this epidemic is not to change everyone's lives in Britain for many years to come is to ensure that everyone complies with regulations as they are redrawn and announced.

For England, the regulation is now straightforward, with no gathering of more than six persons with the exception of a larger single household. However, without doubt, we will all witness that regulation being flouted by large numbers of people in public houses, cafes, restaurants and in illegal raves and other gatherings.

To restore respect for the Covid-19 regulations the police must react strongly wherever they witness such flouting of those regulations by way of closing down pubs restaurants etc who's owners are not enforcing the legislation and breaking up raves and other legal gatherings with whatever strong action is required.

The problem is at this point that many now believe, quite rightly so, that the police will not enforce the legislation or are incapable of doing so. Here in North Somerset which falls under the Avon and Somerset Constabulary, the force in recent months have stood by inactive while two well-publicised very large illegal raves have taken place and a public statue in Bristol city centre was pulled down, rolled through the streets and dumped in the harbour all in full view of the police and media. No one, as far as I am aware, has been arrested or prosecuted for any of the above acts.

Therefore if the Covid-19 pandemic in Britain is to be once more brought back under control, respect for the emergency legislation and the authorities that enforce it has to be brought about, and in that the police must be supported in whatever it takes to achieve that end.

Then perhaps we will all get to see our families once again.