Could you imagine Mrs Thatcher breaking the law?

I’d have paid good money to see that too Growstuff! I suspect Starmer would be too gentlemanly to cope though - she rarely thought any man was her equal and regularly gave them short shrift!

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

Late imperialist Oxford snotty nosed brat.

I shall never think of Johnson any other way now ??

I'm afraid that 'fat slob' is still my no. 1

Blimey ug we aren’t primary school age!!

Really?

ClareAB

I don't know if Thatcher broke any laws. She did bulldoze over ethics, morals, compassion and decency towards the most vulnerable of society. She may have been a 'conviction politician' but she was a monster.

I agree with you, but the question is whether she would actually have treated the law with such contempt and I don't think she would have done. Apart from being a scientist, she was also a barrister. PMQs between Thatcher and Starmer would have been interesting.

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Theresa May would not have broken the law either.

I don't know if Thatcher broke any laws. She did bulldoze over ethics, morals, compassion and decency towards the most vulnerable of society. She may have been a 'conviction politician' but she was a monster.

Threads meander.

Late imperialist Oxford snotty nosed brat.

I shall never think of Johnson any other way now ??

My understanding of the OP was how much the UK has sunk morally. It's already lost much of its power militaristically and economically on the world stage, but it did have a good reputation as a stable country which respected that law is the guiding principle of how the country is run, as it has been since the Magna Carta.

I didn't agree with Thatcher at all, but I do think she had ethical standards and would not have broken international law, as is now being proposed by this despicable government.

The UK has become a laughing stock. One respectable German newspaper just laughs at the UK. Johnson himself is described as a "spätimperialistischer Oxfordschnösel" (late imperialist Oxford snotty-nosed brat).

Urmstongran

Apologies MaizieD you are of course correct. That said, a more directly worded thread might garner more replies.

Blimey ug we aren’t primary school age!!

Apologies MaizieD you are of course correct. That said, a more directly worded thread might garner more replies.

It amuses me at the way the Brexiters rant on about this. Fictitious enemy.

We have left the EU all bar the shouting.

We are now trying to negotiate a trade deal, which we will be doing with every other country in the world.

Doesn’t bode well does it if this is anything to go by?

Of course it was sold as the easiest thing in the world, and those warning that it wouldn’t be easy were told project fear.

Hmmm.

Urmstongran

Shall we have another thread about the treat negotiations? Otherwise we will end up conflating that important topic with this one about Maggie Thatcher.
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The whole point of this thread was the unbelieveable statement from the NI Minister that the proposed legislation would breach international law and that Thatcher would never have done such a thing.

Maybe it was a bit too subtle for some people...

Good article about our corrupt neofascist government.

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Heads of civil service letter.

*treaty, natch

Shall we have another thread about the treat negotiations? Otherwise we will end up conflating that important topic with this one about Maggie Thatcher.
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This treaty break is not going down well is it?

The rest of the world think we are insane, America, both republicans and democrats have warned us that there will no no trade deals. Full stop.

The EU is threatening financial and trade sanctions. I can see that us calling the EUs bluff will simply end in Barnier being told by the various sovereign nations that make up the EU to walk away at the end of the month.

Meanwhile we have cringeworthy little Michael Gove coming out to importantly make a statement about how brave and strong he is.

quizqueen

I think it was Mr Barnier himself who said, 'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'. Trying to get out of the grasping and greedy clutches of the EU is worse than trying to leave the Mafia. They are incapable of understanding that we are now an independent country and can and will make our own decisions. Hopefully, more countries will vote to leave soon- France could be one if Marine Le Pen gets in

Ah yes the fascists. Hitler still has a few supports.

growstuff

sparklingsilver28

I do honestly wonder why folks who have an issue with English history choose to live here. Winston Churchill was an imperfect human, and, no doubt like the rest of us, made mistakes. As a wartime leader, however, for many people he is and always will be an inspirational leader and a hero. Furthermore, and as such, had he been leading this country through the epidemic emergency, there is no doubt in my mind, you could not have a better man for the job.

Like her or loath her Mrs Thatcher and Brexit, Britain would not have been in the EU since it was John Major who signed Maastricht that she refused to do. She believed in Britain and understood what loyalty to country meant. Not the “Johnny Come Lately” brigade who think that a piddling contribution entitles them to re-write English/British history.

I don't really understand your post. Mrs Thatcher was in favour of the EU.

Who's rewriting English history?

Why should somebody choose to live elsewhere just because they don't think Churchill was a hero? That doesn't make sense.

I thought it was me. Thank goodness someone else thinks the same..

I simply couldn’t make sense of the argument even after two or three reads.

“ unless you want a Europe run by fascists.”. Very probably !

quizqueen

I think it was Mr Barnier himself who said, 'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'. Trying to get out of the grasping and greedy clutches of the EU is worse than trying to leave the Mafia. They are incapable of understanding that we are now an independent country and can and will make our own decisions. Hopefully, more countries will vote to leave soon- France could be one if Marine Le Pen gets in

Why do you care about the future of France? France is a sovereign country and nothing to do with you, unless you want a Europe run by fascists.

paddyanne

Churchill was a hated man in Scotland ,he brought tanks in adn locked Scottish soldiers in their barracks so they wouldn't support their friends and families .Evil old B .My granny had double the issues with him because of his treatment of Ireland and the Irish .

Oh, dear, paddyanne. Don't be taken in by all the untruths propagated by Socialist and SNP myth-makers down the years about the so-called "Battle of George Square" in 1919. First of all, Churchill had nothing to do with the military deployment: having read the Riot Act to the strikers, the Sheriff of Lanarkshire requested military aid to the civil powers, which the War Cabinet (of which Churchill was not a member) approved. In fact, the minutes of the relevant meeting record that Churchill did not agree with the deployment at that time. Second, the troops were not exclusively English; the vast majority were actually from Scottish Regiments, including the Seaforths, Gordons, A&S Highlanders and Royal Scots. And the bit about locking Scottish soldiers of the HLI in their barracks at Maryhill is a complete fantasy. It didn't happen. The HLI were actually stationed near Edinburgh at the time.. And, finally, please don't spread gross generalisations about Churchill being a "hated man in Scotland". He may have been so on Red Clydeside, but I seem to recall he was pretty popular in the Highlands when I was growing up.

Good grief. Johnson, Trump and Marine le Pen all in power. Are you trying to give me nightmares?

I think it was Mr Barnier himself who said, 'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'. Trying to get out of the grasping and greedy clutches of the EU is worse than trying to leave the Mafia. They are incapable of understanding that we are now an independent country and can and will make our own decisions. Hopefully, more countries will vote to leave soon- France could be one if Marine Le Pen gets in