Restraining violent, drugged abusive members if the public

Annie. I feel for you because it makes my blood boil when I read the insane sentencing at some of the most heinous of crimes.
It lets the police down as well for all the work done in tracking down down these criminals, then to see them getting a slap on the wrist.

If I were EllanVannin it's unlikely I would be carrying a syringe of paraldehyde.

I too worked in a large psychiatric hospital in the early 60s and whilst I am proud of the innovative care provided then things have moved on. I agree not always for the better but we did rely heavily on medication.

Nanna58 as you would probably have more insight than me due to your family member can I ask you are all officers trained and allowed to carry a taser, I may be way off here but surely that would be the fastest way to restrain someone like OP has described

I have no sympathy for them, but it's a matter of human decency.
If police are unable to find some humanity then it's a sorry old world.

Police are TRAINED for these situations ,maybe just let them do their job which doesn't include kneeling on anyones neck...not in my part of the world .Oh and for the record my great GF was a policeman who died while at work so I do know and understand how families feel .Training is much more involved and efficient nowadays and even the smallest of the recruits that I see can handle anyone and some of these young women are barely over 5 feet tall.

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George Floyd hadn't been in trouble with the police for over ten years, JenniferEccles

Chauvin had no idea who he was

I am not on anyone's side

I have friends in the police force and am grateful for them and their colleagues who work to keep us safe

However, what happened to George Floyd was grotesque and I'll not be silenced.

I don't actually blame the other 2 police officers who were involved in this arrest/murder. They were kneeling on his back and legs. They had only been on the job a week. Chauvin was their trainer

One of them actually asked twice if they should roll Floyd on to his back but Chauvin was having none of it.

This same officer went in the ambulance and was attempting CPR

So no. I am not on anyone's side

But this scenario was shocking. To witness the death of a man, no matter how much of a nasty piece of work yoou think he was.

I did make a point of saying that what happened to Floyd was wrong but that doesn’t alter the fact that his criminal record shows he was perfectly capable of violence.

The original question was how can police effectively restrain criminals who are out of control, possibly under the influence of drugs or alcohol, possibly armed and of a larger, stronger build than the officer.

In cases like that the neck restraint appears to be effective.

Of course it has to be done carefully, but it would be so wrong if all this negative publicity results in it becoming banned.

I am 5ft 2, I have restrained young adult males, I have been trained in three types of control and restraint , all restraint in dangerous, that which involves the neck well words fail me. The first thing we were taught is if they say they cant breathe believe them.

Wouldn’t they all say they couldn’t breathe though Galaxy ?

Then as soon as you loosen your hold they are off, or worse, have you in their control?

Jennifer. Just Google clips of what happened before Floyd was on the ground. Do some research

Had he been violent and resisting arrest it might be different

But he wasn't

Many states in USA have already banned officers from using this tactic.

The ones who have died (and young people have died in restraint) all said I cant breathe.

I have repeatedly stressed that what happened to Floy was wrong. I am not trying to excuse what happened in that particular case but I just feel there shouldn’t be a massive knee jerk reaction by banning the procedure altogether.

Are there video clips to all these deaths ?

Sorry i am not sure what you are talking about annie.

Restraint and control changes all the time jennifer certainly one of the type of restraints I used many years ago is now banned. It's not unusual.

but that doesn’t alter the fact that his criminal record shows he was perfectly capable of violence.

It is STILL completely irrelevant to the actions of the police officer!!

In cases like that the neck restraint appears to be effective.

It killed him! It could kill others if used wrongly! "Effective"?????

Of course it has to be done carefully

That is the problem ...slightly the wrong place on the neck and that's it potentially!! Certainly the wrong place for an unnecessarily prolonged period will definitely be it!!!

Galaxy you said ‘the ones who have died (and young people
have died in restraint) all said I can’t breath ‘,

I asked if you had video clips of all these people saying ‘I can’t
breath’.

eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/29/george-floyd-experts-say-neck-restraint-allowed-minneapolis-can-kill/5274334002/

""Regardless of what Mr. Floyd allegedly did or didn’t do, there’s no reason to put a knee on the neck," said John Peters Jr., president of the Institute for the Prevention and Management of In-Custody Deaths, which trains police academy instructors on use of force."

"Andy Scoogman, executive director of the Minnesota Chiefs of Police, which represents hundreds of police chiefs, called the actions "appalling" and said his association has never advocated for training that teaches an officer to place a knee on someone’s neck."

The neck restraint may not have killed him. He had taken drugs and suffered from hypertension. The coroners report says he did not die of asphyxiation.

I have read that he didn't die from the sort of asphyxia associated with being strangled.

I rather thought his death was caused by pressure applied to his chest, his neck, which made breathing impossible when sustained as it was.

Let's put it like this if no-one had knelt on his neck he would most likely be alive today.

Have I missed something, or has Sparkling not returned since the O.P.?

If anyone can shout that they're not breathing, they're making a good job of not breathing. Anyone who can't breathe, can't speak let alone shout.
Try speaking when your throat's constricted.

Ah yes. Floyd must have been lying.