Pulling back from BLM

And yet many, many WASPI women have marched in London several times, and there was absolutely nothing about it on the News or in newspapers.

Gay rights demonstrations in this country were also continually told it was the wrong way of protesting. Lesbians invading the newsroom, Outrage was consistently seen as the wrong type of organisation because of the way it tackled the issue.

BLM was originally a creation of the Nation of Islam & the Black Panthers in 2013. The Nation of Islam’s leader is Louis Farrakhan, an avid antisemite who calls for the genocide of the Jewish people. He and his followers believe Black people were the original children of Israel and that white people usurped the land (Israel) from them. The BLM website had gross antisemitic statements until recently to remain “marketable”. Make no mistake, they haven’t changed their minds. A few years ago, the BLM female leaders did not want Jewish women to participate in the Women’s March in Washington DC. They refused to disavow LF. They used the shooting of George Floyd, a career criminal, who served 5 years in prison for breaking & entering and holding a pregnant woman at gunpoint to their advantage. While there are many sincere people who care about police brutality of people of color, they have had no idea about this radical, hateful group of whose slogans they publicize. Black lives matter but NOT this group!!!

Yes Galaxy the Stonewall Riots, in New York, I was speaking
of demonstrations for gay rights in this country, the U.K.

I commented on another thread about a rapper , Ice Cube, who supported BLM in the USA and was making antisemitic comments. I was told not to cloud the issue by making comments about individuals. To me, the point is that movements are made up of individuals, some of these individuals are immensely powerful and influential, as is this rapper ( no, I hadn't heard of him but my kids have ). So, a movement that starts off with all good intents, ends up doing a huge amount of harm.I suspect that this comment will not be viewed favourably , so , there it goes as Kurt Vonnegut Jr might have said!

Footballers wear the poppies on the match closest to 11 November. The 2 photos are from 2017 and 2018.
I've been going to football since the 60s, had a season ticket for nearly 30 yrs, and personally I find footballers taking the knee very moving.
The Colin Kaerpernick thing in US was politicised, not least by Trump, but I know nothing really about the difference between UK sport and US sport. I've been to plenty of away grounds over the years, and rarely observed racism in fans, never between players on the field. (But then I'm white. I might say different if I wasn't) There's usually a real camaraderie.

EVERYONE'S lives matter, we don't need to be bombarded with bloomin' placards which discriminate one life in preference to another.

It would appear that nobody's noticed that we're ALL human beings regardless ? Why don't folk just get on with their lives and have something real to worry about other than the colour of someone ?

Stonewall riots anniebach, it's often not sweetness and light, change rarely is.

If anyone has a spare few minutes google the board members of the fund raising arm of BLM US it has some interesting people, one was convicted of bombing federal buildings in the USA

Another day, another thread, another repeated post Galaxy.

I don’t recall missiles being thrown at the police or statues being pulled down during the gay rights campaigns

You just keep saying the same thing grandad that doesnt make it true. The legislation enacted by Blairs government in terms of gay rights came about because of protests and campaigning.

Galaxy, in regard to your post @07:59 today, over one hundred years ago the trade unions realised that not all the concerns and ambitions of working people could be addressed, no matter how much influence those trade unions achieved, by way of those workplaces.

Therefore to adress such matters as health, housing and education the trade union movement created the Labour Party which in 1945-1950 brought into being the NHS and the largest council house building program Briain has ever wittnessed to site just two of that governments achievements.

The above conclusively demonstrates, I feel, that if any grouping is going to organise then that action has to be carried out in a manner that really can make a difference.

In the meantime, as has been once again pointed out in this thread, Britain has some of the most powerful equalities legislation of any country worldwide. However, organisations such as BLM seem not to wish to use that legislation to raise whatever grievances they have through the British justice system.

There was a thread that was in the prossess of debating the above issues in some depth, but that was closed down by GNHQ with the EXPLANATION that "the debate had gone as far as it could go".

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Why would you not want to be aware of the problems faced by BAME people.

Galaxy yes, sometimes protesting can make a difference, if not to laws ( though sometimes it does) but to perceptions.
I think it’s needed in the US.
Here, though it could make people more aware of the everyday problems faced by black or ethnic communities,
We already have laws in place to protect people from hate/race crimes and equality laws.The US is very much behind the UK in many States.

BlueBelle ?

Whoops posted in wrong thread sorry folks I ll get it deleted if I can

Posting doesnt really work like that ladymuck. You have to say the words you want to say or it makes conversation pointless.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

All sporting organisations should distance themselves from any political movements.
This whole thing appears to be having the opposite effect from what was intended, it seems to be causing even more hostility towards non-whites. I can understand why, but know better than to say so.

I know you keep saying that but change has not historically happened for minorities in that way. Changes for women and gay rights came about from protest and legislation, it's the protest that leads to a change in the legislation. There used to be a law quite recently stating rape within marriage was legal , the law is often not in support of oppressed groups.

I believe a thread in which a number of forum members ( including myself) pointed out the rediculas political ambitions of Black Lives Matter (BLM) was deleted when others jumped on those stating what has now turned out to be the truth.

Many of the celebrities that were so quick to jump on the BLM bandwagon are now distancing themselves from this "organisation", and even Kier Starmer now has gone very quiet in regard to his at one time very vocal support.

We live in a democracy where if an issue has strong enough support then that matter can be raised through existing MPs, freshly elected MPs who gain their sears by supporting a cause, or even the formation of a new party in support of a cause or sector of our society.

Those who have grievances should consider action by way of the above.

The BBC has banned any of its presenters from wearing a BLM badge.

I was called out on GN for saying that BLM had a Marxist extreme left agenda............

geekesse we stayed in a B&B in rural Michigan a few years ago & the owners were very keen to talk to us. (We often found that Democrat voters seemed to see us as a safe haven to rant to.)
They told us about the system of funding public services & how the allocation of funds is made.
They were incensed because their fellow citizens had just voted to reduce the education budget for schools.
So yes a very different system.